NO LOS to 119 & 110

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ProudandTrue

Discussion Starter · Jul 15, 2008

OK the way my house is situated I have no LOS to 110 & 119 from the roof and probably the ground. I've had DirecTv for s number of years with the standard dish but can not Upgrade to HD. Two Installers and one supervisor confirmed that there are trees blocking the LOS. I got a quote on taking down two trees which are most likely the culprit but is was $1K, more than I want to spend.

I have a few questions:

1. Does Dish use the same satellites or ones that would also have no LOS.

2. The Installer was standing on the roof and still had No LOS from his eye level about 5'6''. Is there anyway to tell where, if anywhere I may have a LOS on the property or how high I would have to go to get a LOS?

3. Any other options that I'm not thinking of. I can live without the programming on 119 but was told I need a LOS to 110 to get the HD package, is this true?

Thanks in advance for your suggestions.

I live in Central West NJ - Holland Township if that helps.

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Zieglermd

· #2 · Jul 15, 2008

You can use the dish and not get 110 or 119. That is what I did and I loose the MPEG-2 versions of HD. I know some of them are ESPN, ESPN2, HBO, TNT, and Showtime. I know that there are a couple of more but I am hoping with D11 that they will be put on the new sat.

I would think that you will have to do a self install as I could not get any installer to install without LOS for 110 & 119.

I also live in NJ (Essex County) and have NY locals. I do not know if you are in the NY DMA or the Philadelphia DMA. I do not know what Sat the Philadelphia locals are on. Possibly someone else could answer that if they know.

Hope this helps.

Mark

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ProudandTrue

Discussion Starter · #3 · Jul 15, 2008

Zieglermd said:
You can use the dish and not get 110 or 119. That is what I did and I loose the MPEG-2 versions of HD. I know some of them are ESPN, ESPN2, HBO, TNT, and Showtime. I know that there are a couple of more but I am hoping with D11 that they will be put on the new sat.

I would think that you will have to do a self install as I could not get any installer to install without LOS for 110 & 119.

I also live in NJ (Essex County) and have NY locals. I do not know if you are in the NY DMA or the Philadelphia DMA. I do not know what Sat the Philadelphia locals are on. Possibly someone else could answer that if they know.

Hope this helps.

Mark

Yes that was helpful. My Local channels are NY and I think DTV CSR said they were bring broadcast from 99.

Is it difficult to do a self install?

I'd be more concerned with running the cables and ground from the dish to inside of the house but I could be willing to do it.

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texasbrit

· #4 · Jul 15, 2008

ProudandTrue said:
Yes that was helpful. My Local channels are NY and I think DTV CSR said they were bring broadcast from 99.

Is it difficult to do a self install?

I'd be more concerned with running the cables and ground from the dish to inside of the house but I could be willing to do it.

All the HD channels on 110/119 will be moving to 99/103 later this year, after D11 starts broadcasting. The rumor is it will be earlier rather than later. Then you will not need 110/119 unless you want the hispanic channels.
There will also be a new dish that will just receive 99/101/103.
Right now your only option is to do a self-install or pay for an installer. The DirecTV installers will not do a "free" install without 110/119 because they will get a chargeback if a customer complains to DirecTV that they are missing channels.

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K4SMX

· #5 · Jul 15, 2008

The dish, which you can buy on-line here or here, is designed to be mounted either on the side or the roof of your house in very secure fashion, or on a 2" pole in concrete. You should seriously consider also using the additional strut supports, also available on-line, unless you can lag into concrete or very solid wood.

The dish alignment, while not done "per the book," is no big deal, but until DirecTV11's new HD channels are activated, you will lose your Guide data unless you leave the receiver on a 101 satellite overnight, because 119 is the back-up source of guide data when the tuner is not on the 101. This is the main reason for LOS denials besides the missing channels.

You'll have to survey how difficult it would be to run the cables from the dish, 1 for each tuner (that means 2 per HD-DVR), and then decide whether you want to attempt that yourself or hire a local installer. High-end A/V shops are a good source of those, if you don't see any local listings.

You can buy the receivers either on-line or at BB, Costco, etc. The RG-6 cable, compression tools and connectors, and wire stripper can be bought at your local home improvement store.

If you find an authorized local installer, they can also provide all the receivers, but you may have to negotiate discounts from DirecTV to make the price come out to be the same as their current offer.

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Matt9876

· #6 · Jul 15, 2008

The 99-101-103 HD install works well, Have 4 up and running at this time.

As stated before you will have to wait a short while till the mpeg2 channels in the 70s get moved to mpeg4 on 99-103 birds.

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curt8403

· #7 · Jul 15, 2008

ProudandTrue said:
OK the way my house is situated I have no LOS to 110 & 119 from the roof and probably the ground. I've had DirecTv for s number of years with the standard dish but can not Upgrade to HD. Two Installers and one supervisor confirmed that there are trees blocking the LOS. I got a quote on taking down two trees which are most likely the culprit but is was $1K, more than I want to spend.

I have a few questions:

1. Does Dish use the same satellites or ones that would also have no LOS.

2. The Installer was standing on the roof and still had No LOS from his eye level about 5'6''. Is there anyway to tell where, if anywhere I may have a LOS on the property or how high I would have to go to get a LOS?

3. Any other options that I'm not thinking of. I can live without the programming on 119 but was told I need a LOS to 110 to get the HD package, is this true?

Thanks in advance for your suggestions.

I live in Central West NJ - Holland Township if that helps.

dish uses the 110 and 119 so they would be also NLOS

use Dishpointer.com and your address to check LOS in your area

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ProudandTrue

Discussion Starter · #8 · Jul 18, 2008

OK it looks like the way to go would be a self - install or pay someone to do it for me.

SO I have two more questions:

Before I go and buy all of the equipment Dish and receivers is there a way to ensure that I actually do have a line of sight to 99, 101 and 103 plus the D11 once it is situated?

I was looking at a inclinometer / compass but am a little hesitant to spend $ 170 on something I will probably only use once.

Second I was looking at the SWM ODU LNB is that available as I think that would make it a lot easier to run one cable from the dish rather than 5 or 6 to the various receivers / DVRS.

Thanks again. There is such a wealth of information on this site it amazes me at how little I actaully know.

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litzdog911

· #9 · Jul 18, 2008

ProudandTrue said:
OK it looks like the way to go would be a self - install or pay someone to do it for me.

SO I have two more questions:

Before I go and buy all of the equipment Dish and receivers is there a way to ensure that I actually do have a line of sight to 99, 101 and 103 plus the D11 once it is situated?

I was looking at a inclinometer / compass but am a little hesitant to spend $ 170 on something I will probably only use once.

Second I was looking at the SWM ODU LNB is that available as I think that would make it a lot easier to run one cable from the dish rather than 5 or 6 to the various receivers / DVRS.

Thanks again. There is such a wealth of information on this site it amazes me at how little I actaully know.

http://www.dishpointer.com is a valuable resource for performing your own line-of-sight survey. Also check out the link in my signature below. A couple of times each month you can use the moon's position in the sky to determine where the satellites are located.

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ProudandTrue

Discussion Starter · #10 · Jul 18, 2008

Thanks,

I tried Dishpointer but it was difficult to see the exact line (There are a lot of trees). Maybe I'll try the moon thing and if I have to wait until October so be it.

Thanks.

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evan_s

· #11 · Jul 18, 2008

99 and 103 are obviously very close to 101. If you have enough trees that you are worried about it a moon sighting would probably be the best option.

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joe diamond

· #12 · Jul 18, 2008

ProudandTrue said:
OK it looks like the way to go would be a self - install or pay someone to do it for me.

SO I have two more questions:

Before I go and buy all of the equipment Dish and receivers is there a way to ensure that I actually do have a line of sight to 99, 101 and 103 plus the D11 once it is situated?

I was looking at a inclinometer / compass but am a little hesitant to spend $ 170 on something I will probably only use once.

Second I was looking at the SWM ODU LNB is that available as I think that would make it a lot easier to run one cable from the dish rather than 5 or 6 to the various receivers / DVRS.

Thanks again. There is such a wealth of information on this site it amazes me at how little I actaully know.

Those combination compass / inclinometers are unnecessary. They are nice but $$$$. You just have to get close because you will be doing the final tune with a meter. Even though it is not recommended you can peak the signal working slowly with the meter in the receiver. Get the az & el from the DTV website for your zip and take a look at dishpointer.com.

Also, you may be able to just rope and pull a few limbs and get the 110 and or 119.

Joe

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oldengineer

· #13 · Jul 19, 2008

joe diamond said:
Those combination compass / inclinometers are unnecessary. They are nice but $$$$. You just have to get close because you will be doing the final tune with a meter. Even though it is not recommended you can peak the signal working slowly with the meter in the receiver. Get the az & el from the DTV website for your zip and take a look at dishpointer.com.

Also, you may be able to just rope and pull a few limbs and get the 110 and or 119.

Joe

I've got a funny one. I don't get 119 because of trees. I thought about having my dish moved. I had a DTV Tech and Supervisor out who really didn't want to move the dish. The supervisor had the expensive clinometer/compass. He tried to show me that moving the dish wouldn't work by showing me that the 119 azimuth would move as he walked to the new dish position. He stayed real close to my heat pump outdoor unit as he was demo'ing this. I laughed.

I'm waiting for D11. I'm thinking of petitioning Al Gore's help in expediting this since there seem to be lots of users with 110-119 tree problems and I'm saving 2 trees while sacrificing reception of 2 HD channels.

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