Some of the movie channels are now copyright protected and can't be recorded through an hdmi connection.
Non-Directv DVR won't let me record movie channels
When I try to record movie channels this message comes up, "Your TV does not support this programs content protection. Replacing the tvs HDMI cord with componet cables will allow u to view this program" I have to use s-video cord from reciever to DVR for my two recorders. It only does this on movie channels.
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So Directv PVR will not tape hbo movies/shows eithers
It will record it fine. Just can't "download" it to another non-DirecTV DVR using HDMI.ktsat said:So Directv PVR will not tape hbo movies/shows eithers
ktsat said:So Directv PVR will not tape hbo movies/shows eithers
As the message read: you can copy via analog connection but not digital.TBlazer07 said:It will record it fine. Just can't "download" it to another non-DirecTV DVR using HDMI.
Post back with your exact configuration. What is your receiver connected to and with what cables (when the message occurred)?
for now. it just a matter of time until all of the channels follow the same pathktsat said:It only does this on movie channels.
I've never seen it at all with 6 units all connected via HDMI.
That's because you are HDCP compliant by having HDMI cables only attached to your DVRs."joed32" said:I've never seen it at all with 6 units all connected via HDMI.
- Merg
There's something funky going on with the HDCP flag because the other night, I had that message appear on my Starz channels (pay channels) when I was using my SD connection (composite). My regular channels were ok. At the time it really angered me because I thought some change had been made so I could no longer view the pay channels with the SD output (which I regularly do). I tried unplugging my HDMI connection, turning my HDMI device on and off - no luck.
In the meantime, I had a problem with the EXIT button switching my receiver to HD mode (it failed to do this), so I performed a reset of the receiver. Now everything works ok and my Starz channels work on the SD output just fine. Oh, and I don't need my HDMI cable connected for the SD output to work with the pay channels (I do have to be in SD mode though).
Not that this helps ksat, but they might try a reset to see what happens (don't think that's the cause in their case). HDCP is crap!!!
In the meantime, I had a problem with the EXIT button switching my receiver to HD mode (it failed to do this), so I performed a reset of the receiver. Now everything works ok and my Starz channels work on the SD output just fine. Oh, and I don't need my HDMI cable connected for the SD output to work with the pay channels (I do have to be in SD mode though).
Not that this helps ksat, but they might try a reset to see what happens (don't think that's the cause in their case). HDCP is crap!!!
If you have no HDMI cable connected, there should not be a problem. The problem comes if the HDMI cable is connected to a non-HDCP compliant device or the HDMI cable is connected to a HDCP compliant device, but that device is not turned on.RBTO said:Oh, and I don't need my HDMI cable connected for the SD output to work with the pay channels (I do have to be in SD mode though).
You're 100% right. I went back and checked and if I disconnected the HDMI before trying Starz, no problem. However, if I connected the HDMI to my powered-down projector while watching a Starz channel in SD, I immediately got the message and the program was interrupted. What threw me previously is that once the HDCP fault kicks in, disconnecting the HDMI won't bring the signal back.fleckrj said:If you have no HDMI cable connected, there should not be a problem. The problem comes if the HDMI cable is connected to a non-HDCP compliant device or the HDMI cable is connected to a HDCP compliant device, but that device is not turned on.
To get the Starz program back, I had to power up my HDMI projector (actually, standby works), get the picture back, go to a non-HDCP channel, and then disconnect the HDMI cable which kept everything working.
Normally, my HDMI cable is disconnected when I watch SD content but now I recall, I had powered down my projector and left the cable attached on the occasion mentioned. Once it killed the Starz channel, disconnecting the cable had no effect, and I didn't try powering my projector when I reattached the cable since I was in SD mode and usually don't use my projector for that mode.
Your answer (and a little experimenting) clears everything up for me. Hope it helps ktsat too.
My opinion of HDCP stands
Actually they all have composite cables connected to DVD recorders but I'm using the component to composite converters to avoid the resolution switching.The Merg said:That's because you are HDCP compliant by having HDMI cables only attached to your DVRs.
- Merg
If your HDMI connection is to an AVR which is in turn connected to an HDTV, do both the TV and AVR need to be turned on for the component connections to work, or will having only the AVR turned on be sufficient?fleckrj said:If you have no HDMI cable connected, there should not be a problem. The problem comes if the HDMI cable is connected to a non-HDCP compliant device or the HDMI cable is connected to a HDCP compliant device, but that device is not turned on.
The message is a little misleading. My experience with my Philips HDD/DVD recorder is that if I tried to record with the TV off, I would get the message, followed by the bouncing Directv logo. But if I had the TV on during the recording, I did not get the message, and I recorded the movie. As long as the TV was on, I could watch HBO/Cinemax content thru HDMI, composite, component, thru the HDD/DVD recorder without any problems. It was only when I tried to record with the TV off was when I got the message.
It depends on whether the AVR passes the signal through to the TV when the AVR is off. The DVR needs to get the feedback from the TV that the TV is compliant. This only happens if the TV is on and connected in such a way that the feedback is received by the DVR.Zon2020 said:If your HDMI connection is to an AVR which is in turn connected to an HDTV, do both the TV and AVR need to be turned on for the component connections to work, or will having only the AVR turned on be sufficient?
What you describe is exactly what happens. If the TV is connected via HDMI and is not turned on, the HDCP protected program will not record. If the TV is not connected via HDMI or if the TV is connected via HDMI and turned on, there should not be a problem.moghedien said:The message is a little misleading. My experience with my Philips HDD/DVD recorder is that if I tried to record with the TV off, I would get the message, followed by the bouncing Directv logo. But if I had the TV on during the recording, I did not get the message, and I recorded the movie. As long as the TV was on, I could watch HBO/Cinemax content thru HDMI, composite, component, thru the HDD/DVD recorder without any problems. It was only when I tried to record with the TV off was when I got the message.
I guess that's the question. Does it need to get that feedback from the TV or, when you have an AVR in the loop, only from the AVR. Does the DVR need to, or even can it, receive anything from the TV through the AVR? For example, my HTPC never sees my TV through my Sony STR-DA4400ES AVR. It reports the Sony AVR as the display and audio device, yet that is fully hdcp compliant. The AVR is responsible for determining the compliance of the connected devices. (with some AVRs, HTPCs "see" the TV through the AVR; with other AVRs they see the AVR as the display and don't see beyond the AVR).fleckrj said:It depends on whether the AVR passes the signal through to the TV when the AVR is off. The DVR needs to get the feedback from the TV that the TV is compliant. This only happens if the TV is on and connected in such a way that the feedback is received by the DVR.
I guess I'll have to give it a try and see if it works while turning the TV off but leaving the AVR on. My concern for the component connection is because that (and the s/pdif) feeds my Hauppauge Colossus capture card while the HDMI feeds the AVR and TV. I need to figure out what I need to leave on when I record. (I haven't tried it yet because with the switch to an HR34 I need to install a coax-to-optical digital audio converter, and I just haven't gotten around to plugging it all in.)
If the AVR is HDCP compliant, that should suffice. The receiver is just looking for a connection to a HDCP compliant device, whether it is a TV or an AVR, should not matter.Zon2020 said:I guess that's the question. Does it need to get that feedback from the TV or, when you have an AVR in the loop, only from the AVR. Does the DVR need to, or even can it, receive anything from the TV through the AVR? For example, my HTPC never sees my TV through my Sony STR-DA4400ES AVR. It reports the Sony AVR as the display and audio device, yet that is fully hdcp compliant. The AVR is responsible for determining the compliance of the connected devices. (with some AVRs, HTPCs "see" the TV through the AVR; with other AVRs they see the AVR as the display and don't see beyond the AVR).
I guess I'll have to give it a try and see if it works while turning the TV off but leaving the AVR on. My concern for the component connection is because that (and the s/pdif) feeds my Hauppauge Colossus capture card while the HDMI feeds the AVR and TV. I need to figure out what I need to leave on when I record. (I haven't tried it yet because with the switch to an HR34 I need to install a coax-to-optical digital audio converter, and I just haven't gotten around to plugging it all in.)
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