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I remember someone was saying during the game some bets or something changed in the middle of the game .
I did some web searches and found the terms "in-game betting" and "live betting" ("in-play betting"). In-game is where the odds change at TV commercials and time outs and live betting is play-by-play. In any event, these bets are entirely new wagers on the game's outcome rather than being updated wagers. I'd imagine that if you're live betting, you're probably watching the odds more than you're watching the game.

A parlay is somewhat like a trifecta. You chose a number of winners under a single bet and every team you pick must be successful (beat the spread or win the game as is appropriate).
 
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Yea ... so with streaming stuff being delayed would cause issues with that or by time someone presses submit the bet/wager or what ever would change..

Idk I don't do the sports bets but was just naming something impacted by streaming tv delays.

In against NFL ST going to a streaming thing but thats just me ...


Re pricing ... my D* bill is like 100-150 cheaper than the local cable co . I would be paying 200+ if I had cable co... not to mention no 4K ..


But anyways ill let everyone continue.




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I forgot what its called but something like it a player does X You win... parlay ??

And it can change
The ads I have seen are for "prop" bets - or proposition betting. They are usually live and require instant response to get in or not. These kind of bets are "will X make this field goal" "will team X kick or go for two points". Things that could easily be over in real life before a delayed stream carried the video.
 
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The ads I have seen are for "prop" bets - or proposition betting. They are usually live and require instant response to get in or not. These kind of bets are "will X make this field goal" "will team X kick or go for two points". Things that could easily be over in real life before a delayed stream carried the video.
Yeah something that has to be done before the event takes place. Otherwise you could be at a football game and have your bet ready to bet that "X makes this field goal" and once the ball goes through the uprights click the submit button. No way the gambling houses would allow a loophole like that. I'm sure they have all of the loopholes closed that could be based on time delays. They are not in the business of losing money.
 

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This is certainly true, but how many are maintaining their DIRECTV subscriptions simply because it is the only path to having the option of NFLST in their home? The monthly bill for a DIRECTV package is relativey big one in this market that is becoming less and less interested in linear TV options (and not just because the programming stinks on ice).
Yes, I agree and explained all that in the remainder of my post above from which you quoted.
 

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More than likely the live betting apps will simply stick with access via smart phones and other minimal delay devices. For example, you will get an alert in the app for a prop bet and the app will give you a few seconds to make your instant bet. It will simply be spoilers for what is going on via your TV or streaming. (It already is for TV since there is always a delay, even if watching OTA. Satellite and streaming just adds more delay.)

If the betting companies provide their own streams they can still cut off accepting the props before the actual event occurs (or doesn't occur). The betting would need to be handled outside of the video stream for best results. They would not want an on screen popup to say "$20 this guy makes or misses the field goal click make or miss to play" after the bet window closes.

These instant impulse bets are lucrative for the betting companies. Seconds to decide whether or not to take a chance. People susceptible to impulse buying may become victims.
 

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Not sure if this is the correct thread but ...

Let's say it goes to a streaming thing ... those streaming things have HUGE delays even compared to D*

Imaging now most states have sports betting and issues that may cause.

Person places a bet but his streaming TV thing.. is 90 seconds behind causing chaos ..

Or as happens now folks get fantasy alerts before they see it on the streaming tv..

Also imagine the cost its bad enough we gotta pay a la carte for like , espn +, peacock, Paramount plus etc . What will NFL ST be $600 or something insane . On top of the cost of espn/disney or what ever streaming thing ...


I'm venting sorry if I dont make sense lol


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This is a rabbit hole I probably shouldn't go down, but as someone who regularly dabbles in sports gambling and has watched NFLST solely through the streaming product for the past four seasons, allow me to try and dispel some things here:
  • They're already doing NFLST through streaming. It's not "going to a streaming thing", because it's already here. Your NFLST subscription through DIRECTV allows you to access the app, which is also a DIRECTV product. We keep talking about "if it goes to streaming", but it's already been happening, and is a pretty solid product in its current format. Even better than watching via satellite, in some regards.
  • The NFLST live stream is nowhere near 90 seconds behind, or even 60 seconds. At most, it's about ten seconds. Everyone is watching on some sort of delay. I still got fantasy alerts ahead of plays back when I was subscribed to DIRECTV. There's genuinely not a lot of difference, anymore.
  • Let's talk sports betting. The sportsbooks aren't required to keep a bet open for any certain amount of time. Most popular bets like the moneyline (which team wins outright), or a points spread are open until a first pitch/tipoff/kickoff. If there's a major change in something (a star player is announced inactive before the game starts), the bet might close temporarily while they adjust odds. And even those odds adjust during the game. When it comes to the live betting for quick props like, "Will the Chargers score a field goal on their next drive?", most of those bets close with a reasonable amount of time before the event takes place. It's not like you're going to see Justin Herbert walking onto the field and that pop-up happens. You'd likely be offered that bet while the other offense is still on the field. With the potential of delay of what you're seeing on screen vs. where the game is in real time, for the instances I've placed live bets (example, NBA games), I've become accustomed to knowing that there's going to be a certain time I'd have to jump in on a bet, or it will disappear. Even in a streaming environment where I might be a couple of seconds behind what Vegas is seeing. But I adjust, and so will consumers/providers. Even if/when in-game betting options are commonly available on your television screen.
  • I don't understand why the belief is that NFLST will cost more through another provider.
 

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They're already doing NFLST through streaming. It's not "going to a streaming thing", because it's already here. Your NFLST subscription through DIRECTV allows you to access the app, which is also a DIRECTV product. We keep talking about "if it goes to streaming", but it's already been happening, and is a pretty solid product in its current format. Even better than watching via satellite, in some regards.
Agree with that. I have no streaming problem with multiple games on the screen at one time with my Spectrum 200 internet. Quality is excellent.
 

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It's not "going to a streaming thing", because it's already here.
In the event that it becomes a uniquely streaming offering, that would logically equate to "going to a streaming thing".
I don't understand why the belief is that NFLST will cost more through another provider.
If you're forced into an additional subscription (i.e. Amazon Prime, ESPN+, Apple TV+) to qualify for access to NFLST, that may represent a net cost bump. I don't think anyone has suggested that the package price is expected to increase. I reason that having inroads to a much larger customer base would allow the price to drop significantly as the access increases in a big way.
 

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  • The NFLST live stream is nowhere near 90 seconds behind, or even 60 seconds. At most, it's about ten seconds. Everyone is watching on some sort of delay. I still got fantasy alerts ahead of plays back when I was subscribed to DIRECTV. There's genuinely not a lot of difference, anymore.
Interesting. When you say their live stream is ~10 seconds "behind," I guess you mean behind the DTV satellite feed? Which is plausible because satellite TV is several seconds behind traditional cable and OTA TV.

I measured the lag for local channels on YouTube TV recently at both my parents' home and then at mine (different cities, both homes on AT&T Fiber) and found in both cases a delay of 35 to 40 seconds versus the same channel via OTA antenna. I actually expected it to be closer to a full minute.
 

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In the event that it becomes a uniquely streaming offering, that would logically equate to "going to a streaming thing".
That's fair. I read these instances as that people don't know that a streaming version of NFLST is in operation.

If you're forced into an additional subscription (i.e. Amazon Prime, ESPN+, Apple TV+) to qualify for access to NFLST, that may represent a net cost bump. I don't think anyone has suggested that the package price is expected to increase. I reason that having inroads to a much larger customer base would allow the price to drop significantly as the access increases in a big way.
Also fair. I would agree that the price would drop if it becomes widely available through multiple providers. I assume that some people (many, who call to get a reduced cost/free NFLST for the season), fear they don't have that access to discounts in a world where NFLST is widely distributed, and discounts might not be available with other providers.

Interesting. When you say their live stream is ~10 seconds "behind," I guess you mean behind the DTV satellite feed? Which is plausible because satellite TV is several seconds behind traditional cable and OTA TV.

I measured the lag for local channels on YouTube TV recently at both my parents' home and then at mine (different cities, both homes on AT&T Fiber) and found in both cases a delay of 35 to 40 seconds versus the same channel via OTA antenna. I actually expected it to be closer to a full minute.
That's a safe assumption in the first graph, albeit I haven't been subbed to DIRECTV for over three years now so I'm running on dated memory. For the instances that I'll have the Sunday Ticket streaming app running on either my iPad or television, and YTTV streaming on the other device, the NFLST app will be roughly 5 seconds ahead of YTTV. I simply haven't had an opportunity to do a side-by-side comparison against an OTA feed, but I've been around broadcast television enough to know you're correct on the gap.
 
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There is no other service that offers what I get from DIRECTV today. So I’m not going anywhere. If one ever comes up I’ll consider it. But I have never stuck with DIRECTV because of ST in the first place.
 

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i spoke to my kid in Madison this past weekend.. she has cable and I have D*.. she was over a whole play behind me watching the Packer game.. and the packers scored.. while she was wondering what I was screaming about.. since the play had not yet happend yet..
 

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I assume that some people (many, who call to get a reduced cost/free NFLST for the season), fear they don't have that access to discounts in a world where NFLST is widely distributed, and discounts might not be available with other providers.
I believe you are right. I also believe that fear is valid. It doesn't cost DIRECTV any more than the loss of income to give a discount on Sunday Ticket. They are paying the NFL a flat rate ... they don't have to pay the NFL per subscriber plus lose the income for that subscriber. Plus the NFL is more likely to set limits to prevent one provider from undercutting another ... keeping a level playing field. I'd expect any discounts to be provider agnostic.
 

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I believe you are right. I also believe that fear is valid. It doesn't cost DIRECTV any more than the loss of income to give a discount on Sunday Ticket. They are paying the NFL a flat rate ... they don't have to pay the NFL per subscriber plus lose the income for that subscriber. Plus the NFL is more likely to set limits to prevent one provider from undercutting another ... keeping a level playing field. I'd expect any discounts to be provider agnostic.
Yea I am very scared of streaming stuff . Price and reliability.

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Agree streaming delay is more around 40-50seconds

Usually I see on RZC first .. then local channel via D* (7-10 sec delay) ... then streaming about 40-50 seconds later

Yes multiple tvs/screens in same room

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So testing tonight's college football game

There's about a 10 second delay between the D* feed on 206 and the espn app.. the app being behind ...

There's a capitals NHL game on NBC SN Washington. Compared live D* feed and NBC SN app ... huge delay.. (this is probably where I got the 90 seconds from ...)

There's a Jazz game on ch 752 . I compared that to NBA LP app and got about a 40 second delay.

Do you want any other comparisons?

But issue could be my ISP since its buffering .. as I always say not everyone has reliable broadband

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Yea I am very scared of streaming stuff.
As of two months ago, Disney Plus had 118 million subscribers (worldwide) and NetFlix had 214 million subscribers (worldwide). They can't all be suffering.
Price and reliability.
Not having to subscribe to a conventional MPVD may be a big win cost-wise. DIRECTV is pretty high up there in the ARPU numbers relative to all other providers and that's just to have access to NFLST.

In your oft-repeated bad situation that's certainly a valid concern but it doesn't appear to be the case for a large percentage of the viewing population.
 

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I believe you are right. I also believe that fear is valid. It doesn't cost DIRECTV any more than the loss of income to give a discount on Sunday Ticket. They are paying the NFL a flat rate ... they don't have to pay the NFL per subscriber plus lose the income for that subscriber. Plus the NFL is more likely to set limits to prevent one provider from undercutting another ... keeping a level playing field. I'd expect any discounts to be provider agnostic.
And that is the underlying, and understandable, concern for many. There are a lot of people that have been receiving NFLST for several years that never pay full retail (or maybe anything at all) for the product. Making it widely distributed, or exclusive through another provider, likely eliminates that some of that possibility. What's their breaking point on price to where the product is out of their range? I've only paid full price for NFLST one season, but always tucked away a few bucks here and there, to be able to pay the full retail if a discount wasn't available. But there are people much smarter than me that will figure all of that pricing out.

Back to streaming vs. cable/satellite delays, we could go in circles for days on what delays one viewer sees versus another. For those that are experiencing lengthy delays on streaming, I'll take your word that you are seeing those, if you'll take my word that I'm not seeing them in that length. In the end, it boils down to whether that negatively impacts your viewing experience. In our home, we haven't experienced anything in that regard that is a deal breaker.

The greater circleback that I was hoping to accomplish by mentioning delays, was the side discussion that streaming delays could affect (what all signs point to being a thing) of in-game betting notices on your television screen. But as with re-pricing NFLST in a new platform/widely distributed means, there are a lot of really smart people who are probably tasked with figuring out such things to make sure they can maximize their potential in all arenas. Vegas casinos have a lot of pretty chandeliers and fancy fountains for a reason.:)

Good discussion, everyone. I enjoy it.
 

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