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I live in Bucks County, PA (Newtown PA to be exact) which is about 60 miles south of NYC. MANY of my neighbors including myself travel to NYC for work on a daily basis. We would all benefits from having some local NYC channels (FOX, ABC, WPIX, WWOR, etc.) so we are aware of any travel delays, police activity, weather related transit delays, etc. However, we only get Philadelphia channels (Philly is about 30 miles south of us). Many counties adjacent to us (which are just 10 minutes away such as mercer county, NJ which includes Princeton and Trenton) get both Philly and NYC channels as both as on the significantly viewed list. I am wondering if anyone in Bucks County was successful in getting NYC local channels added/ included in their cable or satellite package. Alternatively, I am wondering if anyone would be interested in getting these added and maybe together, we can make it happen. Just some additional comments/ questions from my end:

1. Due to the proximately of NYC and the fact that counties just 5 miles away get NYC channels, we are physically able to get it.

2. I hear there is something about getting "waivers" but not sure how that would work since we do get local Philly channels from our providers.

3. I also heard about the "significantly viewed list" but not sure if this rule only applies to satellite companies or cable as well. Can cable companies provide any channels available to them and if so, how do I convince them? I currently have Verizon.

Anyone help or guidance would be appreciated.

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joshjr said:
Below is the list for significantly viewed for Bucks County. I am looking into this a little more to see if there are any other options. Just for clarification, the people you refer to who get both are they DirecTV customers or Cable customers of some sort?

Bucks
KYW-TV, 3, Philadelphia, PA
WPVI-TV, 6, Philadelphia, PA (formerly WFIL)
WCAU, 10, Philadelphia, PA
WPHL-TV, 17, Philadelphia, PA
WTXF-TV, 29, Philadelphia, PA (formerly WTAF)
WGTW, 48, Phhiladelphia, PA (formerly WKBS-TV)
+WPSG, 57, Philadelphia, PA (formerly WGBS)
Its the next county over in Mercer County, NJ... for years people have been moving there so they get both NY and Philly channels on their significantly viewed list (regardless of cable or sat.)... Now, that migration is happening in Bucks county in a big way (and has been for years).. Any way to get some of these added to our significantly viewed list?
 

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joshjr said:
Here is a little more on options. If you were to buy a large enough antenna, it looks like you could get some of the NYC channels for free. I could recommend an antenna as well if interested. DirecTV makes a device called an AM21 that allows you to plug your antenna directly into it and then plug that into your DirecTV DVR. It allows you to add those stations into the guide data and to record off those channels as well just like normal. The up font cost would be a little bit but in the end once it was paid for, you would never have to pay for the channels so its no a bad option. The address below will take you to the results of this search. What can make the search results better would be if you use your specific address and also if you can put the antenna up higher as well. I am still looking into this but let me know if this is something you are interested in.

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d513436d298f61c
Here are my results: http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d51344b9e96fe5a

I am open to an antenna BUT I live in a townhome community and they are strict on what can be put on the roof.. I can still do it but it cant be obviously visible from the roof... Definitely open to suggestions like this... thanks so far for the help! Just an FYI.. I have Verizon but do have extra TVs where I can use an antenna instead.. would be open to switching providers if that would help get the channels.
 

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KyL416 said:
The list was originally drafted in 1972, most of it is based on OTA viewing. The list has barely been touched since the 70s outside of some minor additions for newly signed on stations and removals of stations for various reasons. (i.e. For most of the Philly DMA the only addition to the list is WPSG since it didn't sign on until 1981) For Mercer County all of those NYC stations were on the list when it was first drafted in 1972.

The list was originally a list of stations that count as local for various counties and communities since cable providers must provide a portion of their lineup to local stations, later it also became a list of stations that are exempt from syndex blackouts. (i.e. here in Monroe county while the local Scranton stations can ask for blackouts on WFMZ, WPIX and WWOR, they cannot ask for blackouts on WCBS, KYW, WNBC, WNYW, WPVI or WCAU) In the mid 00s, atfer a new satellite locals law was passed, it also became the list of the only neighboring locals that satellite providers can offer (as opposed to cable where they've been free to carry other neighboring stations not on the list as long as they blackout any programming local stations request)

Even if they were to add them to the significantly viewed list for your county, there's nothing to make it mandatory for the satellite providers to pick them up. In Mercer County, the only channels they get via satellite are the Philly locals, only Cablevision carries the NYC stations. And since your local cable company is Comcast, which is famous for not carrying neighboring locals, they probably won't pick them up either.

Looking at the list for your area, nearly every NYC station is in the red and flagged for adjacent or co-channel conflicts, it would really take some work with a directional antenna. Depending on what your deed is for the townhome, the rule preventing you from installing an antenna on the roof might be invalid. If you're responsible for maintaining the roof in most cases they can't prevent you from installing an antenna or a dish to get the service you want. "We don't want to see it" is no longer a valid reason and there are some lawyers who specialize in things like this who are willing to work pro-bono on your behalf if a community gives you problems, usually one letter from them pointing out the portion of the law they're violating is enough to get them to backoff. Now if it's a common area where the community maintains the roof, then they can block it under certain circumstances. (Circumstances that might already be voided if they're willing to let you install an antenna on the roof)
Just some additional data points:

1. I do have a deck and am allowed to put a dish on the deck..

2. Am willing to fight to put an antenna on the roof IF I know it works.. can anyone recommend any that would work based on my TV Fool results? I can always test it from a high floor window, right?
 

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cpalmer2k said:
Like the others I think your chances of getting ALL the NY locals given the property restrictions and interference issues you're dealing with is going to be difficult. My question is, could you be happy with 1 or 2 of the NY stations or do you really want all of them? I think you could easily buy this $25 VHF antenna put it on your deck and likely get WABC, and possibly WPIX. If you want them all you're going to need a much bigger antenna as josh suggested, and might still not pull them all in.
Thanks, I think 1-2 would be fine for now. I'll take a look at this.. Appreciate the feedback...
 

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joshjr said:
The large directional antennas are like 10 foot long and 6 foot wide or something crazy like that. I would think something like that would be what you need. I send you a link to a Channel Master 3020 I believe it is that would get the job done.
Appreciate this and all your other feedback. I'll see what can be done with the roof mounting situation and/or attic. Too bad there isnt a way to just get these channels from the cable or sat providers.. being a paying customer and all, I would have expected (hoped) that I am entitled to get the channels I want if I pay for them, especially if the providers are capable of delivering them (which they are)...too bad regulations (dictated by marketing/ money) come in the way...
 

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James Long said:
Under current law the customer is considered served if there is an in market affiliate. If Bucks County PA has a local affiliate there can be no distant of that network. Limited grandfathering is allowed for customers who got the service when they qualified but every time the law is adjusted less people qualify. The best one can expect is that congress scratches out the old expiration date for distants and writes in a new one. Expecting congress to lift restrictions on distants is vain.

Aereo offered several markets before they were shut down for copyright violation but they never intended to offer distant stations. They limited their services to people within each DMA, so unless the customer committed fraud Aereo would not sell NYC locals to customers outside of the NYC market. (The same applied in the other markets they served.)

What got them shut down was not getting permission from the stations for their content. On satellite and cable stations have been given the right to refuse rebroadcast or the right to demand rebroadcast. Stations choosing the right to refuse (consent to carry) usually ask for something in return. Money is common. Aereo did not ask for permission to rebroadcast the local signals, let alone give the stations anything in exchange for such permission.

Perhaps under new ownership Aereo will return and operate within the law. But their service was not distant channels. They did not offer NYC locals to Bucks County PA and if they follow the laws set forth for cable and satellite they never will.
Thanks! I actually have an apartment/ address in the NYC area as well so perhaps that can help in some way with the Aereo suggestion. I just wanted some way to get in Bucks county as well (unfortunately SlingBox wasnt a viable option since the TV is in use at the location as well).
 
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