Official "no OTA" venting thread

Meklos said:

Earl said open one... since all the other 0x104 / 108 discussion is being pointed to the main thread, and the main thread is not for venting.

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VENT. not having local CBS on D* is a pain and almost 3 months now without the OTA HD channels is getting the wife a little impatient. Have been able to keep her happy so far with promises of coming soon but today she asked so can we get local CBS in HD yet

I was going to start one myself, but I was too busy venting on other threads. I'm really aggravated with DTV and their business practices. Maybe we should start a poll as to when and if we think OTA will be released nationally.

Ok, here goes. People on the west coast who already have HD locals over SAT get OTA and now a ViiV feature that is probably not going to be widely used while the rest of us get....nothing.

Thanks D*. This OTA thing was a little annoying at first, now it's starting to tick me off.

I wonder what would happen if all of us east coasters all called at once to cancel our service unless they give us our OTA. I wonder what that would do to DTV's customer base, losing half of their customers.

Only reason I see to release 0x108 so quickly after 0x104 is to fix something bad wrong in 0x104. But then if that's the case, why add new features in addition to a bug fix?

Doesn't make sense.

Strejcek said:

I wonder what would happen if all of us east coasters all called at once to cancel our service unless they give us our OTA. I wonder what that would do to DTV's customer base, losing half of their customers.

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<sarcasm>
They would probably post a large quarterly revenue gain due to the collection of cancellation fees and see their stock raise a few points.
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Meklos said:

Only reason I see to release 0x108 so quickly after 0x104 is to fix something bad wrong in 0x104. But then if that's the case, why add new features in addition to a bug fix?

Doesn't make sense.

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They must be under a lot of pressure from Intel.

Meklos said:

Only reason I see to release 0x108 so quickly after 0x104 is to fix something bad wrong in 0x104. But then if that's the case, why add new features in addition to a bug fix?

Doesn't make sense.

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Hence the purpose of a staggard release....
And as for adding the ViiV... it was supposed to be in 0x104, but at the last minute they took it out, as they didn't have all the I's and T's crossed...

nocaster said:

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They would probably post a large quarterly revenue gain due to the collection of cancellation fees and see their stock raise a few points.
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Never thought about that, I knew there was a real reason behind them not releasing OTA. They want us to leave. :hurah:

What sucks is seeing new features get added like OTA and the photo/music stuff in two different releases that I have yet to see, WHILE I have a unit that has problems recording shows and requires resets to fix. Caller ID is buggy for me, etc.

If 0x104 was just an OTA release and didn't fix other bugs it wouldn't bother me if it is a slow roll out. If 0x108 was just the photo/music stuff it wouldn't bother me if it was a slow roll out.

But how about fixing the bugs that are hurting many (but not all) of us? Get that out to us.

I am all for new features and if they insist on fixing bugs and adding new features in the same release, it would be nice if staggered roll outs went faster.

spidey said:

VENT. not having local CBS on D* is a pain and almost 3 months now without the OTA HD channels is getting the wife a little impatient. Have been able to keep her happy so far with promises of coming soon but today she asked so can we get local CBS in HD yet

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She missing her Y&R in HD?

Earl Bonovich said:

Hence the purpose of a staggard release....
And as for adding the ViiV... it was supposed to be in 0x104, but at the last minute they took it out, as they didn't have all the I's and T's crossed...

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i dont care about ViiV support I just want the OTA!!!!!

Earl Bonovich said:

Hence the purpose of a staggard release....
And as for adding the ViiV... it was supposed to be in 0x104, but at the last minute they took it out, as they didn't have all the I's and T's crossed...

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OK, so then the smart thing (smart meaning not teeing everyone off) would be to get the 1st set of new features out there to everyone before adding the 2nd set of new features.

I don't understand adding new features to a bugfix release. It's either a quick bugfix roll it out quickly release, or it's a new feature release roll it out slowly. Doing both and rolling both out slowly is just asking to have upset customers (like they do now).

Meklos said:

I don't understand adding new features to a bugfix release. It's either a quick bugfix roll it out quickly release, or it's a new feature release roll it out slowly. Doing both and rolling both out slowly is just asking to have upset customers (like they do now).

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So far, every release has been a bug fix release. At least in terms of every release so far has included at least 1 bug fix.

Meklos said:

OK, so then the smart thing (smart meaning not teeing everyone off) would be to get the 1st set of new features out there to everyone before adding the 2nd set of new features.

I don't understand adding new features to a bugfix release. It's either a quick bugfix roll it out quickly release, or it's a new feature release roll it out slowly. Doing both and rolling both out slowly is just asking to have upset customers (like they do now).

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But it only upsets customers that know about it.

As many of you often point out, this forum is just a tiny small subset of the HR20 user base. So unless you know about this, or one of the other forums that talk about the HR20...

You would have no idea that this is even going on.......

So... this is my last post in this thread... as it seriously is just starting to make my blood boil a bit.... I said you all can vent... have at it....

Earl Bonovich said:

Hence the purpose of a staggard release....
And as for adding the ViiV... it was supposed to be in 0x104, but at the last minute they took it out, as they didn't have all the I's and T's crossed...

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Well, this explains some problems with D* in general...they're going around crossing *I*'s when they're supposed to dot them.

nocaster said:

Ok, here goes. People on the west coast who already have HD locals over SAT get OTA and now a ViiV feature that is probably not going to be widely used while the rest of us get....nothing.

Thanks D*. This OTA thing was a little annoying at first, now it's starting to tick me off.

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Not the west coast. Only LA DMA. They are almost like another country. How good it is for a test?

Earl Bonovich said:

But it only upsets customers that know about it.

As many of you often point out, this forum is just a tiny small subset of the HR20 user base. So unless you know about this, or one of the other forums that talk about the HR20...

You would have no idea that this is even going on.......

So... this is my last post in this thread... as it seriously is just starting to make my blood boil a bit.... I said you all can vent... have at it....

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Part of me wants to post a flame for basically saying that we should shut up, cause without this forum, we wouldn't know anyway.

Part of me wants to thank Earl and apologize for even bringing up the subject, since he's done so much for us.

Part of me wants to tell D* that it pisses off the 'have nots' when we see the 'haves' get not one, but two new releases that add new features.

I guess I'll just slink off in the corner and pretend I never saw this post, because I'll probably say something I'll regret later.

Capmeister said:

Well, this explains some problems with D* in general...they're going around crossing *I*'s when they're supposed to dot them.

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