If your others (103, 101, 119, 110) have decent readings, you should get 99 as well just fine when it goes live (it is live now, but the readings are all over as they are testing it).
Ok, so I should focus on getting 103c as strong as possible.
It's a clear blue sky out and I'm going to make an adustment to my dish. Right now 103c is at 70 on the signal strength meter, while my 101 and 119 are high 80s and mid 90s respectively. Will this adjustment to acquire a stronger signal for 103c enable me to receive some transponder readings for 99c?
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Q>Should I focus on getting 103c as strong as possible.
A>The short answer is yes, peaking 103c is a good alignment tool.
If your tilt setting is off or the mast isn't plumb peaking 103(c) may lower your 119 signals.
A>The short answer is yes, peaking 103c is a good alignment tool.
If your tilt setting is off or the mast isn't plumb peaking 103(c) may lower your 119 signals.
Your 101 signals in the high 80s indicate the dish is slightly off alignment which is why your 103(c) signal are not as high as they should. Assuming your dish mast is plumb, making slight azimuth/elevation adjustments while looking at the 103(c) signals should improve 103(c) and also bring most of your 101 signals into the 90s. With 101 and 103(c) signals in the 90s, your dish will be very well aligned and 99(c) should be fine.groove93 said:It's a clear blue sky out and I'm going to make an adustment to my dish. Right now 103c is at 70 on the signal strength meter, while my 101 and 119 are high 80s and mid 90s respectively. Will this adjustment to acquire a stronger signal for 103c enable me to receive some transponder readings for 99c?
Agree 100%. Start with elevation keeping an eye on 103c and 119. If both of them are in the high 80's (or above) your 99c numbers will be great.texasbrit said:Your 101 signals in the high 80s indicate the dish is slightly off alignment which is why your 103(c) signal are not as high as they should. Assuming your dish mast is plumb, making slight azimuth/elevation adjustments while looking at the 103(c) signals should improve 103(c) and also bring most of your 101 signals into the 90s. With 101 and 103(c) signals in the 90s, your dish will be very well aligned and 99(c) should be fine.
OK I have my 101 in the low 90s and my 103c now in the mid 80s. With this dish, will I need to untighten the large screws on the back of the dish to enable it to swivel for azimuth adjustment?
This is a slimline 5lnb (no side car).
This is a slimline 5lnb (no side car).
Okay, so I have 103(c) running from high 70s to mid 80s and 101 runs about low 80s to mid 90s (with on 100). 119 is mid to high 90s (except for a few zeros). Yet my 99(c) is very low (20s, 30s).
Well I was able to see 99c for a few moments before my DVR locked up so I had to reset it. The readings were in the 30s.
You are still probably a little out of alignment. 101 should be higher than mid-80s if aligned correctly, and 103c should be in the 90s.tonyd79 said:Okay, so I have 103(c) running from high 70s to mid 80s and 101 runs about low 80s to mid 90s (with on 100). 119 is mid to high 90s (except for a few zeros). Yet my 99(c) is very low (20s, 30s).
If your mast is slightly out of plumb you will have problems getting all the satellites to optimum signal at the same time, but you may simply have a very slight alignment issue. Just a very small fine tune on azimuth or elevation or both will probably give you significant improvement.
I know there are people with even better numbers than mine, but I have signals as follows (sometimes they are up to 2 points lower, but just about the same on both tuners):
101 - other than spotbeams pointed at other cities, my signals are 94-100
110 - 94s across the board
119 - lowest is 94 (apart from the spotbeams) and I have six at 100
99c - all are 94-96
99s - not relevant because none of the spotbeams are for me in DFW
103c - all are 92-96
103s - spotbeams so mostly not for DFW. The two DFW HD locals transponders (from DirecTV10, like the 103c signals) are both at 98
Texasbrit earlier suggested that I tweak my dish a little bit. I started with 90's on 101, 110, and 119 and mid to upper 80's on 103 and lower 70's to 80's on 99c.
After I tweaked a little, My 99 is at the lower 80's and 103 is at mid 80's. I noticed that any further tweak would lower one of the other sat numbers, so I have it as high as I can get it. It's not perfect, but it is better.
Good luck with tweaking your dish, and a thank you to Texasbrit for helping me out with some advice.
After I tweaked a little, My 99 is at the lower 80's and 103 is at mid 80's. I noticed that any further tweak would lower one of the other sat numbers, so I have it as high as I can get it. It's not perfect, but it is better.
Good luck with tweaking your dish, and a thank you to Texasbrit for helping me out with some advice.
OK signal strength meter for 101 - Tun1 = 95 Tun2 = 51
103c - Tun1 = 92 Tun2 = 87
99c - Tun1 = 82 Tun2 = 69
Where do I need to make adjustments now?
103c - Tun1 = 92 Tun2 = 87
99c - Tun1 = 82 Tun2 = 69
Where do I need to make adjustments now?
101
91,83,86,98,83,95,86,89
80,88,80,88,80,95,82,96
85,0,88,97,83,97,88,96
88,94,94,0,92,98,89,98
110
72
68, 74
119
83,90,82
96,87,96,83,100,83,53,83
99c
71,73,68,74,70,73,71,73
70,71,71,73,72,72
103c
88,79,85,75,84,77,80,74
84,76,80,76,84,76
82, 74
There's an overcast and I felt some raindrops so I will continue tomorrow.
91,83,86,98,83,95,86,89
80,88,80,88,80,95,82,96
85,0,88,97,83,97,88,96
88,94,94,0,92,98,89,98
110
72
68, 74
119
83,90,82
96,87,96,83,100,83,53,83
99c
71,73,68,74,70,73,71,73
70,71,71,73,72,72
103c
88,79,85,75,84,77,80,74
84,76,80,76,84,76
82, 74
There's an overcast and I felt some raindrops so I will continue tomorrow.
Based on your 119 and 99c numbers your tilt may be off.groove93 said:101
91,83,86,98,83,95,86,89
80,88,80,88,80,95,82,96
85,0,88,97,83,97,88,96
88,94,94,0,92,98,89,98
110
72
68, 74
119
83,90,82
96,87,96,83,100,83,53,83
99c
71,73,68,74,70,73,71,73
70,71,71,73,72,72
103c
88,79,85,75,84,77,80,74
84,76,80,76,84,76
82, 74
There's an overcast and I felt some raindrops so I will continue tomorrow.
EDIT: I think your elevation may be off as well. You may want to start with elevation, then look at tilt.
Thanks for the response.
My initial settings did not allow any readings on the 99c Sat. I discovered that the Azimuth was way off. My azimuth settings are to the point where I can get higher readings on both 101 and 103c equally. (and a pain in the butt it was to tweak this setting, those videos aren't lying about being precise with the Ka signals.)
I agree there is still some fine tuning with both tilt and elevation. I mainly focused on getting peak numbers for 101 and 103c. But due to clouds over head and a few rain drops, I did not want to make any further adjustments, so I tightened everything up and left the settings as such.
Currently 101 is at Tun:90, Tun2: 60
103c: Tun1: 91, Tun2: 86
119: Tun1:81, Tun2:85
99c: Tun1:76, Tun2:68
When I adjust the tilt towards 75 degrees, the tuners aren't as off set as indicated above, however I do loose signal strength on 119. Elevation is very sensative and cannot move it as much.
My initial settings did not allow any readings on the 99c Sat. I discovered that the Azimuth was way off. My azimuth settings are to the point where I can get higher readings on both 101 and 103c equally. (and a pain in the butt it was to tweak this setting, those videos aren't lying about being precise with the Ka signals.)
I agree there is still some fine tuning with both tilt and elevation. I mainly focused on getting peak numbers for 101 and 103c. But due to clouds over head and a few rain drops, I did not want to make any further adjustments, so I tightened everything up and left the settings as such.
Currently 101 is at Tun:90, Tun2: 60
103c: Tun1: 91, Tun2: 86
119: Tun1:81, Tun2:85
99c: Tun1:76, Tun2:68
When I adjust the tilt towards 75 degrees, the tuners aren't as off set as indicated above, however I do loose signal strength on 119. Elevation is very sensative and cannot move it as much.
Are there directions in this forum or anywhere else for fine tuning my slimline dish in a PDF format so I can print them out and have them to reference to when I attempt to perform the task? I really do not want to take my laptop up on the roof.
What is the recommended adjustment for low even transponders on 103c? My odds are in the low 90s high 80s, while my evens are in the mid to low 70s.
That simply indicates your dish is not quite in alignment. We don't have any information if that means it is an azimuth or an elevation issue, you just have to fine tune the dish for 103c and see if you can improve on those numbers.groove93 said:What is the recommended adjustment for low even transponders on 103c? My odds are in the low 90s high 80s, while my evens are in the mid to low 70s.
OK, I've notice that Tuner 2 constantly had low numbers. I ran some (known good) spare cable from the BBCs to the wall connections, switched them around on the tuners, and tuner 2 stayed the same with consistant low numbers. I also ran cabling from the BBCs straight to the Dish. Same results.texasbrit said:That simply indicates your dish is not quite in alignment. We don't have any information if that means it is an azimuth or an elevation issue, you just have to fine tune the dish for 103c and see if you can improve on those numbers.
I removed the BBCs and now 101, 110, and 119 are all peaking in the mid to high 90s and high 80s on both tuners.
What is happening here with the BBCs?
My HR21-100 does the same thing as yours. I also have lower numbers with the bbc's connected verses disconnected. I know mine is not a dish alignment issue because all my numbers on my H23-600 are in the 90's on all sats. I do have some different bbc's that I still need to try.groove93 said:OK, I've notice that Tuner 2 constantly had low numbers. I ran some (known good) spare cable from the BBCs to the wall connections, switched them around on the tuners, and tuner 2 stayed the same with consistant low numbers. I also ran cabling from the BBCs straight to the Dish. Same results.
I removed the BBCs and now 101, 110, and 119 are all peaking in the mid to high 90s and high 80s on both tuners.
What is happening here with the BBCs?
Here is my post on this issue http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=132439
I am having my LNB replaced on Tuesday but it very well could be the Hr21-100 just showing low signalserict said:My HR21-100 does the same thing as yours. I also have lower numbers with the bbc's connected verses disconnected. I know mine is not a dish alignment issue because all my numbers on my H23-600 are in the 90's on all sats. I do have some different bbc's that I still need to try.
Here is my post on this issue http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=132439
I have 94-100 on my 101, 90's on 110 and 119 at 94 and up yet i cant get my 103 above 90 no matter what i try
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