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· AllStar
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I am going camping this summer, and I am looking at taking D* with me. I have an old WNC Phase III (3 LNB) antenna. I want to configure it with an H21-200 receiver. I understand my antenna is limited to 101, 110, and 119. As a result, I am interested in understanding the scope of programming I will be able to receive.

I downloaded the latest TPN map. It appears there is no longer any CONUS English programming on 119 (D7S). Further, there is no programming on 110 (D5) as well. It appears D8 @101 has significant SD programming. I also noticed [email protected] in the TPN map.

I believe spots (e.g. D9S) are Ka based. As a result, I don't believe my Phase III will support D9S programming. Is this correct??

This leads me to my next question. I know Bband converters are (were) necessary with the introduction of Ka band programming. As I recall, at one time I had a BBand converter installed on my H21-200; but I no longer have the BBand converter installed since I installed my Slimline SWM antenna.

Since my antenna is incapable of Ka band, I don't believe I need a Bband converter - Is this correct??

It appears the scope of programming I will receive is SD from [email protected] Is this correct??

Thanks in advance for all replies!!! :)
 

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Anonuser said:
I am going camping this summer, and I am looking at taking D* with me. I have an old WNC Phase III (3 LNB) antenna. I want to configure it with an H21-200 receiver. I understand my antenna is limited to 101, 110, and 119. As a result, I am interested in understanding the scope of programming I will be able to receive.

I downloaded the latest TPN map. It appears there is no longer any CONUS English programming on 119 (D7S).
Very few, "Jewish Life TV," The "Hope" Religious channel, and the "NOW" informercial channel, along with some 30 "Sonic Tap" music channels are about all there is for English programming on 119 nowadays.

... Further, there is no programming on 110 (D5) as well.
For the U.S. at least, true.

... It appears D8 @101 has significant SD programming. I also noticed [email protected] in the TPN map.
I believe spots (e.g. D9S) are Ka based. As a result, I don't believe my Phase III will support D9S programming. Is this correct??
No, SD CONUS programming from 101 comes from CONUS beam transponders on both D8 (16 odd numbered tps.) and D9S (10 even numbered ones). And D9S spotbeams (six even numbered) are not Ka but Ku based where they along with those from D4S supply SD spotbeam locals for CONUS from 101.

... This leads me to my next question. I know Bband converters are (were) necessary with the introduction of Ka band programming. As I recall, at one time I had a BBand converter installed on my H21-200; but I no longer have the BBand converter installed since I installed my Slimline SWM antenna.

Since my antenna is incapable of Ka band, I don't believe I need a Bband converter - Is this correct??
Correct, a "B-Band Converter" (BBC) is used to covert the Ka B-Band on non-SWiM ("legacy") HD installs which you won't receive anyhow on a P. III dish.

... It appears the scope of programming I will receive is SD from [email protected] Is this correct??
About half correct; :)

As stated virtually all SD CONUS programming emanates from from both D8 and D9S at 101.
 

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HoTat2 said:
No, SD CONUS programming from 101 comes from CONUS beam transponders on both D8 (16 odd numbered tps.) and D9S (10 even numbered ones). And D9S spotbeams (six even numbered) are not Ka but Ku based where they along with those from D4S supply SD spotbeam locals for CONUS from 101.
I will be traveling beyond (Wyoming) my Minnesota locals spot coverage. Three part follow-up -

1. Will I be able to receive Wyoming spot "locals" in the area I am located, or is my receiver keyed by D* in some manner to restrict reception of only MN locals.

2. So I can determine which channels I will be able to rx, which specific D9S TPN numbers are CONUS beams and which D9S TPN numbers are spots?

3. Are all D9S ("10 even numbered ones, and six even numbered") all Ku?

Thanks again!!
 

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1: You can receive them, but they wont be authorized to watch (with enough gain, you MIGHT get your Mn locals there. Some spot beams are quite large)
2: Im not sure, but I believe there are 4 of them
3: Yes, all signals at 101W are Ku on DirecTv
 

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... 1. Will I be able to receive Wyoming spot "locals" in the area I am located, or is my receiver keyed by D* in some manner to restrict reception of only MN locals. ...
Actually there are no local spotbeams SD or HD for the Wyoming market as of yet. At least I can find none listed in the transponder mapping data. But even if there were you may receive them just fine, but not view them as your receiver's access card is tied to the home market (or DMA) of your account's home address as Davenir and P. Smith state.

... 2. So I can determine which channels I will be able to rx, which specific D9S TPN numbers are CONUS beams and which D9S TPN numbers are spots?
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Basically yes;

D9S Ku CONUS beam transponders (10) are even numbers 2, 6, 8, 10, 14, 16, 22, 24, 30, and 32 from 101.

SD local spotbeam transponders (6 even) are 4, 12, 18, 20, 26, and 28 broadcast from either D9S or the older D4S which now serves as a spotbeam only bird aiding D9S.

D8 is a CONUS beam only bird supplying all odd numbered (16) transponders from 101. 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, 17, 19, 21, 23, 25, 27, 29, and 31.

D7S supplies 6 SD CONUS beam transponders numbered 22, 26, 27, 28, 30, and 32 from 119.

Spotbeams are 4 odd numbered 23, 25, 29, and 31.

Note: CONUS transponder 24 at 119 presently carries Spanish MPEG-4 HD programming and display as "N/A" on MPEG-2 SD receivers.

3. Are all D9S ("10 even numbered ones, and six even numbered") all Ku?
Yes.

Of note though both D8 and D9S at 101 actually have Ka band payloads, but not available for customer use.

But for internal company use by DIRECTV for signal back-hauling purposes to the various broadcast centers.
 

· Mr. FixAnything
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Note: CONUS transponder 24 at 119 presently carries Spanish MPEG-4 HD programming
There are also DTV test channels...most likely these two Spanish HD channels are in test mode, because linked to same *DTV test channels.
Code:
*TEST	9712	3 24 1010 1012 HD 119 Channel #1	HD 119 Channel 9712.
[I]MEGAHD	405	3 24 1020 1022 Mega HD	Mega HD provides live and original programming which is smart, edgy, and thought provoking.[/I]
*TEST	9713	3 24 1020 1022 HD 119 Channel #2	HD  119  Channel  9713.
[I]TFTwHD	408	3 24 1030 1032 Telefutura West HD	Telefutura West HD[/I]
*TEST	9714	3 24 1030 1032 HD 119 Channel #3	HD 119 Channel 9714.
*TEST	9715	3 24 1040 1042 HD 119 Channel #4	HD 119 Channel 9715.
*TEST	9716	3 24 1050 1052 HD 119 Channel #5	HD 119 Channel 9716.
 

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To reply in simpler terms:
Your guide will have exactly the same list of channels in it that it has right now, no matter where you take it. That is keyed to your home service location.

Your local channels are on spot beams, and once you are outside the reception area of that spot beam you will not receive any local channels (either your home locals, or the local channels for the area you are located in).

You will receive all of the nation wide (CONUS beam) channels you subscribe to no matter where you are located in the Continental US.

If your destination location is within antenna reception range of any local stations, you can use a TV antenna to feed your tv directly to receive them.
 

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P Smith said:
There are also DTV test channels...most likely these two Spanish HD channels are in test mode, because linked to same *DTV test channels.
Code:
*TEST	9712	3 24 1010 1012 HD 119 Channel #1	HD 119 Channel 9712.
[I]MEGAHD	405	3 24 1020 1022 Mega HD	Mega HD provides live and original programming which is smart, edgy, and thought provoking.[/I]
*TEST	9713	3 24 1020 1022 HD 119 Channel #2	HD  119  Channel  9713.
[I]TFTwHD	408	3 24 1030 1032 Telefutura West HD	Telefutura West HD[/I]
*TEST	9714	3 24 1030 1032 HD 119 Channel #3	HD 119 Channel 9714.
*TEST	9715	3 24 1040 1042 HD 119 Channel #4	HD 119 Channel 9715.
*TEST	9716	3 24 1050 1052 HD 119 Channel #5	HD 119 Channel 9716.
Don't know about that P. Smith, granted I don't receive those two Spanish channels, but they have been listed in the channel guide a few for years now, and as you post above gct list ch. 405 and 408 without an asterisk, which indicates active.

I also see there are other *DTV test channels in the 9000+ channel range that have live feeds as well, so I guess its not unprecedented.
 

· Mr. FixAnything
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My beef in a) absense reports from customers who subscribe to Spanish channels and didn't chime here about the two channels at 119W tp24 b) all known models of DVR/receivers do show the tpn as N/A.
 

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... b) all known models of DVR/receivers do show the tpn as N/A.
I think its all known models of SD DVR/and receivers. As I can see Tp. 24 at 119 on the signal level screens of all my current HD-DVRs and one former HD STB receiver, all reading in the mid 90s range.

Yet, when I had SD-DVRs active here in the recent past (R15s, 16s, various SD DTIVOs) Tp. 24 at 119 read as "N/A" on all of them.
 

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That's good news (no Spanish sub here and has not check the tpn for long time).

If our member who sub to the two Spanish HD channels would report here if they still use AU-9/AT-9 or new LNBF SL3 ?

The tp24 do shows the 5 channels' bandwidth as 6.5...7.5 Mbps per each and total 39 Mbps (using 20000 8PSK 2/3).

Is someone really watching the programs ?

Observing bitrate chart, I would say there are only two programs, one on PID 1020 and other mirroring on 1010/1030/1040/1050.
 

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