[n0qcu]

Automatic saving will be a future enhancement.

 

[MCHuf]

Automatic saving will be a future enhancement.

So in other words, no it won't.

 

[Jhon69]

So in other words, no it won't.

No in other words....SOON!.

 

[elgibby]

Sounds promising! I'd be coming to Dish and Hopper/Joey from a cable/TiVo setup. Wondering if there's any info on offloading programs to a computer, like with the TiVo.

I see in buttons on the Main Menu screen (I can't post urls yet) for "home media" and "my media transfer."

Could one of them be DNLA streaming and the other moving content off the Hopper?

 

[P Smith]

For sure - no offloading programs to PC; it's red color for the 'bull'.

 

[RasputinAXP]

For the 922 "My Media Transfer" is how you get things from internal storage to external HDD. Home Media is the built in DLNA client.

 

[scorpion43]

i am no longer under contract with dish network.but when the Hopper and Joey's come out and are available to current customers i will gladly sign another 2 year contract to get them installed in my home
sounds like an awesome technology
and i think directv knows that to :lol:

 

[elgibby]

For sure - no offloading programs to PC; it's red color for the 'bull'.

Too bad. That's probably a deal breaker for me, as I edit out ads and transfer programs to my tablet for viewing during work breaks.

Thanks for the response.

 

[vwhizbang]

I have read all the post in this forum and would like to state what appears obvious. Everybody always wants more and no product is going to address all needs and wishes.

To me the big deal here is that the Hopper is able deliver HD over coax at a reasonable price. Everything I saw in the past was expensive and in most cases only available to one remote TV without a daisy chain arrangement which most home distribution systems won't support.

The second big advantage appears to be the ability to tune up to 4 HD TVs to different channels. Not a big deal to me, but a definite upgrade for families.

It appears at this point that the 6 channel recording is only available if you record the 4 major networks on one tuner and use the other 2 tuners for everything else, I guess time will tell what the details are on this point. This is an ok arrangement if you watch a lot of Network TV, which I don't, maybe 4 hours a week at the most. So then you have 3 tuners which matches what I have now with my 722k and 612, except that I can't stream from both receivers to my 3 TVs and can not stream HD at all. So we are back to the major advantage being home HD distribution from one receiver. And to me that is a pretty big deal because, as it is I can only get HD TV in multiple rooms by using multiple receivers and in some cases multiple dishes.

Bottom line is the Hopper won't do everything but what it will do was not possible before and some of what was possible was not very elegant.

I will get a new roll of black electrical tape to solve the stupid logo problem. It worked well on the stupid blue backlit HDTV logos on the current line of receivers.

 

[P Smith]

I have read all the post in this forum and would like to state what appears obvious. Everybody always wants more and no product is going to address all needs and wishes.

To me the big deal here is that the Hopper is able deliver HD over coax at a reasonable price. Everything I saw in the past was expensive and in most cases only available to one remote TV without a daisy chain arrangement which most home distribution systems won't support.

The second big advantage appears to be the ability to tune up to 4 HD TVs to different channels. Not a big deal to me, but a definite upgrade for families.

It appears at this point that the 6 channel recording is only available if you record the 4 major networks on one tuner and use the other 2 tuners for everything else, I guess time will tell what the details are on this point. This is an ok arrangement if you watch a lot of Network TV, which I don't, maybe 4 hours a week at the most. So then you have 3 tuners which matches what I have now with my 722k and 612, except that I can't stream from both receivers to my 3 TVs. So we are back to the major advantage being home HD distribution from one receiver. And to me that is a pretty big deal because, as it is I can only get HD TV in multiple rooms by using multiple receivers and in some cases multiple dishes.

Bottom line is the Hopper won't do everything but what it will do was not possible before and some of what was possible was not very elegant.

I will get a new roll of black electrical tape to solve the stupid logo problem. It worked well on the stupid blue backlit HDTV logos on the current line of receivers.

I would say: dish PR should hire you or just pay for the post.

 

[vwhizbang]

And one more thing, well actually two. The Hopper has an eSata port which will most likely support a EHD. Any chance it will be used to allow DVD burning? Nope not a chance. I also see a USB port on the Joey. Now what could that be used for?

 

[P Smith]

No use for both now. "For future enhancements".

 

[vwhizbang]

Thanks P Smith,

Bored today with no football? NASCAR up next.

 

[BobaBird]

Too bad. That's probably a deal breaker for me, as I edit out ads and transfer programs to my tablet for viewing during work breaks.

We may soon be able to load programs to iPad and Android tablets, but don't expec to be able to pre-purge commercials. See the Sling Booth portion of http://www.dishuser.org/ces2012.php.

The second big advantage appears to be the ability to tune up to 4 HD TVs to different channels. Not a big deal to me, but a definite upgrade for families.

While 4 TVs can view HD programming, only 3 tuners are available, and any of those could be recording. When a TV can't get a tuner, it can watch what one of the others is watching, or watch something already recorded.

So then you have 3 tuners which matches what I have now with my 722k and 612, ...

Your current receivers have 4 tuners, with the 612 adding an OTA tuner and the 722k optionally having 2 more for OTA channels both major and minor. Agreed on the limitations of outputs and sharing.

 

[vwhizbang]

While 4 TVs can view HD programming, only 3 tuners are available, and any of those could be recording. When a TV can't get a tuner, it can watch what one of the others is watching, or watch something already recorded.

So here is a question. I heard it stated that you can watch Prime Time programming while it is recording. Does this use a separate tuner or the Tuner that is recording the Prime Time lineup? If it uses the same tuner then in theory 4 TVs could be watching different Prime Time Channels while the other 2 tuners were recording something else. I don't think I could make a definitive statement about this yet but it seems possible from what I have heard so far.

 

[BobaBird]

The person I talked to said PTAT can't be tuned directly, but you can go to the DVR listings and select a show to start over as it's being recorded, which is essentially "live."

Scott reported that PTAT can be watched live, and I know he has good sources. I'm not sure how that would work though (getting over my head but will think out loud anyway), if each viewing device/decoder (Hopper or Joey) is accessing the same tuner that is recording PTAT, is the Hopper able to extract a different channels from the same stream using the same tuner to send live to the decoders?

Maybe the answer lies in another inconsistency we got. I was told only the 4 channels get recorded, as indicated by the "PT" timer flags on the EPG. Scott has said several times the entire transponder is recorded. I find both answers entirely plausible, with both leaving open the possibility of adding other locals on the same TP should Dish choose to include them in PTAT.

 

[n-spring]

Since PTAT records the entire transponder in order to capture the four major networks, does it record distant networks in order to achieve this? If so, how are the local broadcast stations letting them get away with this, or do they not care?

 

[n0qcu]

PTA records YOUR local HD network channels from the spotbeam for your DMA.

 

[P Smith]

PTA records YOUR local HD network channels from the spotbeam for your DMA.

Plus nobody knows what else from the mux.

 

[Lt Disher]

Since PTAT records the entire transponder in order to capture the four major networks, does it record distant networks in order to achieve this? If so, how are the local broadcast stations letting them get away with this, or do they not care?

I'n not sure how the local stations are with this, but one key point is that the customer himself has to turn the PTAT on. It is not an automatic thing that DISH is doing. The customer only has to set the switch once, but it does require action on the part of the user. I think that this action makes it similar to recording any other show, and this has been accepted and is legal.