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dmspen said:
Hopper and Joey (kinda silly names if you ask me)
I was going to say exactly that - Hopper and Joey seem like wrong marketing choices. I could be wrong, but using Australian Outback names to promote something for Dish's technical leap... it just seems like too much "dumbing down" to a clientele that is increasingly savvy to technical things.
 

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garygaryj said:
I was going to say exactly that - Hopper and Joey seem like wrong marketing choices. I could be wrong, but using Australian Outback names to promote something for Dish's technical leap... it just seems like too much "dumbing down" to a clientele that is increasingly savvy to technical things.
I agree too. Has to be about the silliest names ever for a pair of really high tech products. If they do become available and I get one of each I'll rename mine Pete and Repeat.
 

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dmspen said:
Connectivity between the Hopper and Joey (kinda silly names if you ask me) will be via coax. Since the only coax connectivity is between the LNB and my 3 current receivers, do you suppose additional coax will need to be run from the HJopper to the Joeys? In other words, 1 coax from LNB to Hopper, and one to a Joey? What if you want two Joeys? Coax from Joey to Joey? I'm sure the reason they chose to use coax was the bandwidth, but ethernet might have worked as well. Sounds like my walls are going to take a beating when this gets installed...someday.
I was actually thinking they'd be using the same coax inside the walls. It's just that the sat signal goes only to the Hopper, it decodes it, then passes back through the wire over to the Joey. So all the coax gets tied together outside the walls.

Which if this is the case, and your Hopper dies for some reason, you couldn't watch anything on any of the Joey's either.
 

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dpeters11 said:
So, I'm assuming when they say it'll record the shows when Primetime Anytime is activated, that's not entirely accurate? I couldn't figure out how it's possible to use one tuner to get 4 networks at the same time, but in other places it sounds like it isn't recording them in the traditional sense.
It's recording the whole transponder stream which carries several channels. Traditionally, the tuner reads the stream and extracts the channel you selected. For PrimeTime Anytime, the extracting takes place after the whole stream is recorded.
bakerm5 said:
It's just that the sat signal goes only to the Hopper, it decodes it, then passes back through the wire over to the Joey. So all the coax gets tied together outside the walls.
Correct, based on interpretation of the installation diagrams we've seen (picture links at http://www.dishuser.org/xip813.php)
Which if this is the case, and your Hopper dies for some reason, you couldn't watch anything on any of the Joey's either.
The Joey doesn't have a tuner, it's just an interface to the Hopper which does all the work.
 

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P Smith said:
Oops!
Counting 1 GB per one hour of HD in H.264 ]MPEG-4[ - user space is 250 GB from total 2000 GB [2 TB] drive ?! OMG ! 1/8 or 12.5% ....
You can't say mpeg4 since the Hopper will also be sold to Western Arc customers it has to hold 250 hours of Mpeg2 and probably a lot more of Mpeg4.

garygaryj said:
I was going to say exactly that - Hopper and Joey seem like wrong marketing choices. I could be wrong, but using Australian Outback names to promote something for Dish's technical leap... it just seems like too much "dumbing down" to a clientele that is increasingly savvy to technical things.
Maybe they are planning a Australian satellite service too. :sure:
 

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klang said:
I too use a powered USB hub with my 722. I wonder if there might also be a USB port on the front of the Hopper as well, similar to the VIP DVRs?
The photos at Engadget do show a USB port on the front panel. So there are three. Suits me since I don't leave an EHD plugged in permanently to any of my receivers.
 

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Love the concept, just wish there was at least one tuner in the Joey's.

With only three tuners I won't be able to use it. The wife never watches recorded TV, I watch live cable news in the morning and early evenings (mostly recorded the rest of the time except for football and baseball) and the kids watch their stuff. Only three TV's but that could take up all the tuners, leaving none available to record anything.

Tomorrow for example, I have 10 programs scheduled to record on my 922 w/OTA between 7 and 9 pm, 5 of which would be covered by the PrimeTime Anytime tuner, and 5 on the other two tuners. But neither the wife or kids would be able watch live TV. (They currently share a 222)

Now I don't know if it's possible, but if I could get a 2nd Hopper and network them somehow so all recordings could be seen on all the TVs...
 

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klang said:
The photos at Engadget do show a USB port on the front panel. So there are three. Suits me since I don't leave an EHD plugged in permanently to any of my receivers.
Ok. So we put a Sling Adapter in one back USB port, the OTA dual receiver in the other, and our EHD in the front.

Still don't see any reason why there aren't four USB ports in the back since everything seems to be USB. But at least everything is covered.:rolleyes:
 

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Well I think I have to say that I'm feeling some disppointment that the Hopper/Joey link is not wireless. A truly wireless device would actually earn the name, "Hopper".

Such room portability seems to be what all of my friends have, or want. Myself as well. For all it's technology, this device seems like a suped-up "TV-2" output.

And I find it ironic, for myself anyway, that I use my 722 to record a very few number of shows because I have little time to stop and view TV. Now comes a device that is largely targeted to potentially record so much programming that I would need a special "sorting device" (maybe "Hopper's Pouch") to extract only the shows I really want to watch. :)

I love having a DVR, and the Hopper appears, at first to be real cool, but my 722 seems to be plenty, at least for someone like me.
 

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BobaBird said:
You get the big 4 because a) they're on the same transponder, otherwise you'd need another tuner and b) those are the ones with a contract agreement. So PBS and CW may be possible someday. And yes, you can move shows from the PTA block to be saved in your space (post #10).
According to Engadget:
"12:32PM Now we've got a screenshot of that Prime Time Anytime toggle, it will record from all four major networks, plus two other channels of your choosing."
Apparently it isn't completely about contracts if you are allowed to pick "two other channels of your choosing".

When I mentioned trimming, I meant user selectable start/stop copying back to the user partition. Otherwise, if it is relying strictly on the guide to make the determination of start/stop, then that defeats a lot of the usefulness of the feature. Ultimately, I could set a timer and do a better job of dialing in shows which tend to run long.

Also, there is a big difference between moving and copying, with the latter being the preferred method. One would strongly hope that you don't get one shot at moving a show back to the user partition. Whereas, copying would allow for mistakes to be corrected.
 

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Blowgun said:
According to Engadget:
"12:32PM Now we've got a screenshot of that Prime Time Anytime toggle, it will record from all four major networks, plus two other channels of your choosing."
I'm finding a lack clarity with that. It could simply be a confusing wording about "all four major networks" on the transponder, and two other channels from the two other receivers.

When I mentioned trimming, I meant user selectable start/stop copying back to the user partition. Otherwise, if it is relying strictly on the guide to make the determination of start/stop, then that defeats a lot of the usefulness of the feature. Ultimately, I could set a timer and do a better job of dialing in shows which tend to run long.
That is an absolute requirement IMHO. If the guide is the source of start/stop then the feature is useless.

Also, there is a big difference between moving and copying, with the latter being the preferred method. One would strongly hope that you don't get one shot at moving a show back to the user partition. Whereas, copying would allow for mistakes to be corrected.
This may be related to licensing issues, but I'm sure no one at Dish would be so foolish as to not realize it might be important to allow for errors by users....:sure:
 

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phrelin said:
They really couldn't put 4 working USB ports on this thing???
I agree. Imagine purchasing a new top of the line computer and there is only two USB ports. The answer isn't, "buy a hub".

Additionally, I guess USB 3.0 wasn't available at the time of manufacturing in China.
 

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dmspen said:
Hopper and Joey (kinda silly names if you ask me)....
I agree, it's cringing.

dmspen said:
What if you want two Joeys?
According to the pictures I've seen, the "Hopper" has two female F-connectors on the back. One is for the sat input and the other is for the remote control antenna. The "Joey" has one F-connector. Both units have Ethernet, the "Hopper" has two connectors.

I don't know how the "Hopper" connects to the "Joey". Both F-connectors are accounted for, unless the signal is split at the sat input and sent back to the "Joey". In order to use two or more "joey" remote boxes, I would guess that you would need a passive bi-directional 1GHz MoCA splitter and could daisy chain them.

Update: Here's a wiring diagram:

 

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What wiring is required from the DISH? I have a 722k with only one wire and a spitter feeding the two tuners. With three tuners in "Hopper" how does this change? Are new LNBs required?

Thanks, Jeff
 
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