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4 TV household....couple questions.

1. With Hopper System how separate live HD feeds can be viewed at the same time when nothing is recording on the DVR?

2. If 2 HD shows are being recorded how many live HD feeds can be viewed assuming the live feeds I want to watch are not either of the 2 live HD feeds that are being recorded?

3. How many separate HD shows that were previously recorded can be accessed and viewed simultaneously?

4. What is the maximum number of unique HD feeds can be viewed and recorded at the same time?

5. If a 5th TV were to be brought into the equation would a 2nd Hopper be necessary? If yes, would the Joeys be able to access the recorded shows from both Hoppers?

Thanks!!!
 

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But to summarize the thread...

1. The Hopper has 3 tuners, so you can watch 3 live feeds.
2. 3-2=1
3. With 3 Joeys added, you can watch 4 previously recorded shows...
4. ...while 3 more are being recorded
5. Yes, if you want it to have independent viewing, and yes.

With 2 Hoppers you can have up to 4 Joeys giving you 6 live feeds for viewing and/or recording, and be able to watch 6 different already recorded shows.
 

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dpeters11 said:
...I couldn't figure out how it's possible to use one tuner to get 4 networks at the same time, but in other places it sounds like it isn't recording them in the traditional sense.
Conventional ad hoc digital sat delivery uses 4 slots (directly adjacent slices of the bandwidth each on a separate frequency) per transponder, typically fed ad hoc by 4 separate uplinks from separate sources, which allows 4 different clients to timeshare the transponder on demand at any given time, simultaneously. Since DBS uses all of the xponder all of the time, they instead send a single MPTS (multiple program transport stream) which is one wideband carrier with the modulation holding the elemental programs from 4 sources all in the same stream. DISH leverages this by arranging the spot beams for the big 4 on the same xponder in each market.

A conventional DVR/IRD demodulates the MPTS signal and then demuxes the program signal of interest, discarding the rest. That then goes to the HDD for playback. IOW, even a conventional DVB tuner can (has the bandwidth to) see the entire transponder at once, but conventionally, only a fraction of the MPTS (a single program) is recorded.

The Hopper does not demux directly after demod, but sends the entire MPTS to the HDD. Then, at playback, it does the demux.

So there is nothing new as far as the technology goes, but moving the demux to playback is what makes PTA possible (that, along with fast CPUs and large HDDs).

This, of course, implies that it is impractical to save one show from a recording that actually holds 4 simultaneous shows since the file size is 4 times larger, and why to save a show past the 8-day expiration they have to basically do a playback/rerecord in the background from that partition to the user partition. Pretty slick implementation of conventional pro technology for consumer use, if you ask me. DirecTV will be close behind.

So no, not in the traditional sense (as far as consumer technology goes; TV stations have used this for backhaul for years). But not exactly magical, either.
 

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TomCat said:
Conventional ad hoc digital sat delivery uses 4 slots (directly adjacent slices of the bandwidth each on a separate frequency) per transponder, typically fed ad hoc by 4 separate uplinks from separate sources, which allows 4 different clients to timeshare the transponder on demand at any given time, simultaneously. ...
Just to note:

This part of your post describing "Conventional ad hoc digital satellite delivery" actually sounds like "Frequency Division Multiple Access" (or FDMA).

Therefore shouldn't the last portion quoted above read as;

... typically fed ad hoc by 4 separate uplinks from separate sources, which allows 4 different clients to "frequency share" the transponder on demand at any given time?
 

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Are we sure that PTAT works be recording at the shows at the Hopper and using its tuners? Or could it be that the PrimeTime shows are just downloaded to the Dish Space on the Hopper after the fact the same way that PPV and other events are downloaded which would mean that no tuners on the Hopper are used?
 

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DoyleS said:
Are we sure that PTAT works be recording at the shows at the Hopper and using its tuners? Or could it be that the PrimeTime shows are just downloaded to the Dish Space on the Hopper after the fact the same way that PPV and other events are downloaded which would mean that no tuners on the Hopper are used?
PPV and "other event" (except for streaming) do in fact use a tuner to download from the satellite. It happens while the receiver is in standby and not being actively watched. These can be downloaded anytime, so it just waits for you to put it on standby (or the inactivity timeout). In the case of primetime, it has to happen at a specific time, so you will lose a turner if you are watching or recording at the same time.
 

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Doesn't it leave the possibility for it to be downloaded on a non-live situation? Shortly after PrimeTime, most people would have their boxes in standby which would then allow for a mass download of the primetime shows. I don't know, just trying to understand some of the possibilities prior to these boxes actually getting in some of our hands.
 

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DoyleS said:
... Doesn't it leave the possibility for it to be downloaded on a non-live situation?
No, as far as known and been demonstrated, PTAT records via a single tuner the four major network telecasts concurrently during the local prime time viewing hours of 8PM-11PM ± any user selectable over or under-run time padding adjustments, to a reserved portion of the HDD on the Hopper.
 

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Seems to me the question is the price of the Hopper and then the price and monthly charge on each of the Joey's. Those of us with 3 or 4 receivers would probably be looking at replacing most or all of them.
 

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HoTat2 said:
Three tuners per Hopper, with the XiP Duo Node allowing two Hoppers max. per install for a combined six tuners.

Additional tuners to the Hopper from an optional OTA module, if it exist, has not yet been determined.
How will having two Hoppers work? Will they communicate with each other? Will Joeys be tied to a particular Hopper, or will they all have access to all six tuners and both Hopper's DVR programs?

I'm sure it will be just speculation at this point, but maybe someone knows something?

Thanks,

Jeff
 

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1. It has been demonstrated it records all four on one tuner not downloads it.
2. According to the ces video all joeys see all tuners on both hoppers. That's the whole idea of less tuners each.
 

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archer75 said:
Can you setup primetime anytime to autosave certain shows so they don't get deleted after 8 days?
I have read somewhere in one of the threads that you would be able to select which program(s) you want and save them so they do not get deleted after the 8 days.
 

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eichenberg said:
I have read somewhere in one of the threads that you would be able to select which program(s) you want and save them so they do not get deleted after the 8 days.
Yes, you can save them. But I want to have it automatically save select shows for me so I don't have to routinely manage that list. I don't want to forget to save something and then lose it after 8 days.

The bulk of what we watch is during prime time however we may not watch shows till weeks later.

Here's a video of it in action:
 
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