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I did lose my distants recently. And being over two hundred miles from the transmitters, there is no way to pick up the signal even with a two mile high antenna. There are several 14,000 foot mountain ranges in the way.

I did like the distants for they knew how to tell time. They started their programs on time instead of the 2 to 3 minutes before the hour like the locals assigned to me. They must have a bunch of pr-schoolers working in their programming and engineering departments that haven't learned how to tell time yet.

Even one of the so-called locals sent me a waiver stating that since I am not even in any a, b ,or c grade contour that my getting a distant was okay with them since wasn't even in the local broadcast area.

They are not losing any local advertising revenue since I would not travel over 200 miles by greyhound bus to shop there. And the only other advertising in abundance is for cars and I'm not buying.

And for there statements for local news and weather being important, what a joke. They are they called locals, because they ONLY cover the local news and information for their city. The only cover other areas if something earth-shattering happens there. Who care who stubbed their toe on main street in their city. What difference is it that I watch a program form New York, LA, Denver, Atlanta since none of the actual local information applies to me.


The congress really need to do away with the Nielsen DMAs. Nielsen has always been a worthless company. It really needs to be a simple rule of thumb applied.


If you can't pick up NBC, CBS, ABC, or that Fox channel with what the FCC considers a conventional rooftop antenna, that you can legally mount on you dwelling under certain circumstances then distants should be legal. If the cost of proving it is on the homeowner, to prove it so be it. With reimbursement from the networks when the homeowner was right and the networks were wrong. It is the networks responsibility to get the signal to you in a reasonable fashion.


I know for a fact that Decisonmark uses outdated info for their database. I had to provide them with informations County Commissioners names, phone numbers etc to prove that the county was no longer rebroadcasting any major networks since the people of the county didn't want to pay for the the towers.


Don't even mention that joke of a site called antennaweb. They don't have any idea what is really being broadcasting in a given area. A lot of the stations and translators have been off for years. If what is shown for my ares was correct I wouldn't need satellite. Again a company that uses outdated information and gives out false information.


Both companies should be required at their expense by law to actually to go out in the field and VERIFY what is really out there and not rely on lists provided by the NAB and/or FCC. Until that time they should be shut down for giving out false and misleading information.

This is my this humble opinion of course. And if the aforementioned companies can PROVE the 100% reliability of their database I will stand corrected.
 

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whatchel1 said:
Enuff with your rant now do something about your problem. Contact antennaweb with your up to date information and the documentation from the stations. They contact you and then things could be changed to reflect the situation for your area.
It should be antennawebs responsibility to verify what is actuallly available. Not mine. If they are giving out information it should be 100 % correct
 

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oldave;757596 But it doesn't really matter... Dish Network cannot deliver distants said:
I'm wasn't talking about Dish Network. Thay played fast and loose and screwed up. Even when the stations say I am not in there signal area, these companies state that I am. These companies need to go out in the field and actually verify what is available or not. These companies are making decisions for people and not even bothering to verify that the data is correct.

I do not know of any conventional FCC approved antenna (since according to the FCCC you are allowed an conventional antenna and not one two miles high at your dwelling as you legal right.) that can pick signals form outsides a given stations signal area even when that station says that a location is outside that signal area.

So it goes to show that the database are out of date.

Maybe i am not aware of x and y and z grade contours? Isn't the area linited to A and B countours (and maybe c if there is one). Does not one neeed to reside in these countours to be ineleigle for distant netowrks? But when one is out side of these countours according to the station, shouldn't the person be eligible for distant networks? So someone's database of out of date/incorrect.

Question? Can one even pick up a staion's signal over completely flat land over 250 miles with not a sigle house, tree and ony other obstruction in the way? Maybe an engineer on this board can answer that one.

Question? How big can a stations grade A nd B counours be allowed by law?

And yes I was turned down by NPS even thought the stations say I am not in the signal/service area. NPS relies on Decisionmark who is not supplying or even verifying the information they provide.
 

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harsh said:
That's because it is... up to a point. Here's the FAQ item:Given that the information specific to your rooftop probably isn't in the USGS or NASA databases, I don't think it is fair to assail them for using the best available information. They try to condition the predictions with questions about how many stories your house is and what kind of obstructions you can see, but you have to be telling the truth and they have to assume some sort of average density.
I showed a printout from there website to a retired engineer who laughed at their results. Apparently some sations/translators do not exist anymore or no longer on the air.

Instead of using the best so-called available information availble, let them get out in the filed and verify the information and see it is really correct or not. After all, they are providing information people are relying on.

Or maybe only give results for areas with a stations actual signa/service area and not antwhere else.
 
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