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No, not remakes, the real things. Aside from everything showing up on independent networks like Antenna, MeTV and RTV, more and more are showing up on existing cable/satellite channels.

Rawhide, Laredo and Marshall Dillon are now on Encore Westerns. (Afternoon block, Lawman, Have Gun Will Travel, Laredo, Wagon Train, Rawhide, Marshall Dillon, Gunsmoke)
TVGuide Channel is running several older series.
Hallmark just started running the Bob Newhart Show
Spin City and Wings are back on Reelz

Some other channels are running a couple of older shows among their regular schedules; HUB, GMC, INSP and WGN for example.

Will the network stuffed shirts take notice are start producing real TV again?
 

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I get RTV from CT and they run old shows. I DVR Peter Gunn, I Spy & Naked Ciy.
 

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The problem with old shows, say westerns as an example, - I have the entire "Gunsmoke" series - is you can't compare them to shows like "Hell on Wheels" or "Deadwood" IMHO. While "Gunsmoke" is a great classic as a "body of work", because of many factors you know while you are watching they are dated.

Nonetheless, there will never be a western on TV again that will match "Gunsmoke" for popularity, length of run, etc.
 

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you can't compare them to shows like "Hell on Wheels" or "Deadwood" IMHO.
The old classic are better.

Period.

I don't even like the later Gunsmoke movies. It's obvious the values changed and the movies are far more violent and mean-natured.
 

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SayWhat? said:
The old classic are better.

Period.

I don't even like the later Gunsmoke movies. It's obvious the values changed and the movies are far more violent and mean-natured.
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One thing about Gunsmoke -- you can watch it with your kids or grandkids. Deadwood, on the other hand, is not something I would want to watch with kids.
I wouldn't disagree about the "more violent and mean-natured" nor about watching "Deadwood" with "your kids or grandkids."

But I've always been a little uncomfortable about creating a sanitized version of "the old west" which is currently being portrayed by "Hell on Wheels" closer to how things were after the Civil War.

In the extensive analysis of the character Marshal Matt Dillon in Wikipedia we are offered:
During the 9-year run of the radio version of Gunsmoke and the 20-year run of the television version, surprisingly little was revealed about Matt's family history or about events in his past that may have shaped his views or his attitude toward his work. In both the radio and the television episodes, stories would occasionally center around individuals with whom he had once been close friends. Usually his experiences with these friends involved jobs on the periphery of law enforcement, such as tracking down rustlers or lost cattle for ranch owners. It was often implied that he had led an adventurous and sometimes nomadic lifestyle before becoming a U. S. Marshal and one of his old friends proudly stated that "I knew Matt Dillon before he was civilized!"
The setting is Dodge City, Kansas, which has it's own history heavily associated with the Army through Fort Dodge after the Civil War when the Indian Wars in the West began heating up.

It's not possible in my mind that Dillon somehow escaped the trauma of fighting in the Civil War.

And frankly a U.S. Marshal during that time ... well ... I'll let Wikipedia's description explain:
When Washington set up his first administration, and the first Congress began passing laws, both quickly discovered an inconvenient gap in the constitutional design of the government: It had no provision for a regional administrative structure stretching throughout the country. Both the Congress and the executive branch were housed at the national capital; no agency was established or designated to represent the federal government's interests at other localities. The need for a regional organization quickly became apparent. Congress and the President solved part of the problem by creating specialized agencies, such as customs and revenue collectors, to levy tariffs and taxes, yet there were numerous other jobs that needed to be done. The only officers available to do them were the Marshals and their Deputies.

The Marshals thus provided local representation for the federal government within their districts. They took the national census every decade through 1870. They distributed Presidential proclamations, collected a variety of statistical information on commerce and manufacturing, supplied the names of government employees for the national register, and performed other routine tasks needed for the central government to function effectively.
Maybe it's impossible to create a believable character within an accurate historical framework, but it would have been interesting even for kids to know how Matt Dillion handled the census duties in 1870.;)
 

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surprisingly little was revealed about Matt's family history or about events in his past that may have shaped his views or his attitude toward his work.
Fine with me. I have no interest at all in character backgrounds or family history. I hate it when TV shows go that route. I lost all interest in JAG when it turned into the "Harmon Rabb, where's my Daddy" show.

As far as unwarranted violence, one of the "Marshall Dillon" episodes has Dillon beating a man for no apparent reason other than to humiliate him. These half-hour episodes were the forerunner to Gunsmoke.

but it would have been interesting even for kids to know how Matt Dillion handled the census duties in 1870
Yeah, they leave a lot of that kind of stuff out. You never saw Hunter or Hill and Renko doing much paperwork or making court appearances. Some, but no where near what would be real.
 

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Naked City is still great for me because they use NYC as their location and I'm always looking for places I remember.
 
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