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For those members who have the new Slimline dish, could you post your readings on all 5 satellites? I'm trying to compare differences versus the AT-9.


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Great inquiry. I am interested in these finding as well, since the 5 LNB is a single unit on the Slimline .

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cybrsurfer said:
For those members who have the new Slimline dish, could you post your readings on all 5 satellites? I'm trying to compare differences versus the AT-9.

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well I get a 90+ (most in high 90's) signal on 4 sats, the 5th one is the only one not coming in great is the 99 sat, but I was told it's cause nothing is live yet. They were surprised I had any signal at all but it was 50+ on that one:eek2: ... hth..
 

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well I get a 90+ (most in high 90's) signal on 4 sats, the 5th one is the only one not coming in great is the 99 sat, but I was told it's cause nothing is live yet. They were surprised I had any signal at all but it was 50+ on that one:eek2: ... hth..
Are you getting high 90's on ALL transponders for the 4 sats or just some of them?
 

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jwren said:
well I get a 90+ (most in high 90's) signal on 4 sats, the 5th one is the only one not coming in great is the 99 sat, but I was told it's cause nothing is live yet. They were surprised I had any signal at all but it was 50+ on that one:eek2: ... hth..
You should get all five, you don't necessarily need all tp's on 99 and 103, but you should get some depending on your market. 99 is active and so is 103.
 

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If you have HD locals they will be on either 99 or 103. You may not get any signal at all on the other satellite. People in the Eastern part of the country will often see signal on both satellites since they may be inside multiple spot beams. In the central/western part of the U.S., many times you will only see the spot beams caarying your locals.
 

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Here is what I get Southwest of Denver CO. Slimline was installed last Friday.

Transponder#-SS

101
1-97 2-95 3-95 4-95 5-95 6-95 7-95 8-91

9-96 10-95 11-95 12-100 13-96 14-95 15-95 16-91

17-96 18-0 19-96 20-0 21-96 22-92 23-95 24-91

25-95 26-82 27-96 28-0 29-97 30-92 31-94 32-92


110
8-95 10-96 12-96


119
22-95 23-0 24-95

25-62 26-94 27-95 28-91 29-0 30-88 31-100 32-92

99
1-0 2-0 3-0 4-0 5-0 6-0

103
1-0 2-0 3-100 4-0 5-0 6-0
 

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cybrsurfer said:
You should get all five, you don't necessarily need all tp's on 99 and 103, but you should get some depending on your market. 99 is active and so is 103.
I can't look right now but I know my locals come in on 103 and are coming in perfect. As far as I know all 4 I need come in perfect, the one I don't need (99) doesn't come in good, but I don't need it to.
PS: I am in the Southeast...
 

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Phil T said:
Here is what I get Southwest of Denver CO. Slimline was installed last Friday.

Transponder#-SS

101
1-97 2-95 3-95 4-95 5-95 6-95 7-95 8-91

9-96 10-95 11-95 12-100 13-96 14-95 15-95 16-91

17-96 18-0 19-96 20-0 21-96 22-92 23-95 24-91

25-95 26-82 27-96 28-0 29-97 30-92 31-94 32-92

110
8-95 10-96 12-96

119
22-95 23-0 24-95

25-62 26-94 27-95 28-91 29-0 30-88 31-100 32-92

99
1-0 2-0 3-0 4-0 5-0 6-0

103
1-0 2-0 3-100 4-0 5-0 6-0
You should be getting all tp's on 119. Also for comparison I get all tp's on 99 and 4 tp's on 103, so I would say you need to have your dish peaked or aligned better. Most installers who do standard installs don't peak as they should.
 

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You should be getting all tp's on 119. Also for comparison I get all tp's on 99 and 4 tp's on 103, so I would say you need to have your dish peaked or aligned better. Most installers who do standard installs don't peak as they should.
This isn't correct. TPs 23 and 29 where he gets zero signal are carried by spot beams and I believe do not cover Colorado. 25 is also carried by spot beams and the lower reading is probably because he is at the edge of the spot beam but it's probably not carrying any of his locals so that is OK.

And I am going to quote from my previous post:
QUOTE: If you have HD locals they will be on either 99 or 103. You may not get any signal at all on the other satellite. People in the Eastern part of the country will often see signal on both satellites since they may be inside multiple spot beams. In the central/western part of the U.S., many times you will only see the spot beams carrying your locals. UNQUOTE

So it is perfectly normal not to see any signals on the 99 and 103 satellites if you are not in an HD local spotbeam. Phil T is near Denver and his HD locals are obviously all on sat 103 transponder 3 where he has a signal strength of 100. . He is not in the footprint of any of the other sat 99 or 103 spotbeams so does not get any other signals. As long as he is getting his HD locals there is nothing to be concerned about.
 

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I'm picking up SOMETHING on 99, since its shwoing transponders 1, 5, and 6 at 50, 45, and 95.

on 103, I'm getting 0-83-0-87-0-80

I'm getting Kansas City locals off 99 (according to the lyngsat listings)

So I"m wondering which 103 spot beam I'm in, since I get it so much better.

I'm in Southern Missouri.
 

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This isn't correct. TPs 23 and 29 where he gets zero signal are carried by spot beams and I believe do not cover Colorado. 25 is also carried by spot beams and the lower reading is probably because he is at the edge of the spot beam but it's probably not carrying any of his locals so that is OK.

And I am going to quote from my previous post:
QUOTE: If you have HD locals they will be on either 99 or 103. You may not get any signal at all on the other satellite. People in the Eastern part of the country will often see signal on both satellites since they may be inside multiple spot beams. In the central/western part of the U.S., many times you will only see the spot beams carrying your locals. UNQUOTE

So it is perfectly normal not to see any signals on the 99 and 103 satellites if you are not in an HD local spotbeam. Phil T is near Denver and his HD locals are obviously all on sat 103 transponder 3 where he has a signal strength of 100. . He is not in the footprint of any of the other sat 99 or 103 spotbeams so does not get any other signals. As long as he is getting his HD locals there is nothing to be concerned about.
I feel you should look into it further...

Here are the reading I get on my AT-9:
on 101:
1-8: 96,97,95,100,95,96,92,94
9-16: 95,97,96,100,96,96,95,96
17-24: 95,100,95,98,94,96,96,96
25-32: 96,100,93,91,96,97,95,96

on 110:
8,10,12: 96,95,97

on 119:
22-32: 90,98,92,96,95,91,85,97,91,96,96

on 99:
1-6: 60,98,73,96,56,98

on 103:
1-6: 0,0,99,70,75,69

Based on the above, I think it's fair to assume that the AT-9 is getting better reception then the Slimline.
 

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I'm sorry, but the only way you can tell if the AT9 is getting better reception than the slimline is to test them both under exactly the same conditions, which really means in the lab. If you can't do this, then set up both dishes in the same location and make sure they are both aligned. Then test them both with the SAME receiver. It may be that the AT9 gets better reception than the slimline but your numbers don't prove anything...

And I repeat that 99 and 103 are only received in certain locations.
 

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I'm sorry, but the only way you can tell if the AT9 is getting better reception than the slimline is to test them both under exactly the same conditions, which really means in the lab. If you can't do this, then set up both dishes in the same location and make sure they are both aligned. Then test them both with the SAME receiver. It may be that the AT9 gets better reception than the slimline but your numbers don't prove anything...

And I repeat that 99 and 103 are only received in certain locations.
Im merely trying to point out differences. I feel you should get something is all I'm saying. Once HD goes to MPEG4/Ka next year to 99 and 103, then it's a good idea to get as many tp's as necessary now. Next year they will launch 2 more Ka satellites to orbital 99 and 103 for a total of 2 @ 99 & 103, stacked on top of each other. So I would hope you have the best peaked dish you can now. Go ahead and do nothing, next year don't say I didn't try to warn you.:sure:

I don't care where you are geographically in the US, with a correctly aligned dish you should get all tp's on 101,110 &119 and most tp's on 99 & 103. You can bark at me all you want... If I can get it and most others... so should you. I'm trying to tell you something. I have lived in three states with DirecTV and always got all tp's, with the exception of the new Ka. Florida, Michigan & Massachusetts, always got all tp's!
 

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cybrsurfer said:
I don't care where you are geographically in the US, with a correctly aligned dish you should get all tp's on 101,110 &119 and most tp's on 99 & 103.
That's just not true.
If you are outside of of a spotbeam footprint you can aim all day and not get a signal for that particular transponder. If you are outside the spotbeam then there is no signal to be collected. Seriously, I could have a 50ft dish in california and I would still get zero signal from a spotbeam covering New York.

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Well why do I get all tp's on my AT-9? I'm in Massachusetts...
Eastern cities are much closer together than out west so there will be many overlapping spotbeams which is the reason you only have 2 transponders with a zero signal.
 

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That's just not true.
If you are outside of of a spotbeam footprint you can aim all day and not get a signal for that particular transponder. If you are outside the spotbeam then there is no signal to be collected. Seriously, I could have a 50ft dish in california and I would still get zero signal from a spotbeam covering New York.

Eastern cities are much closer together than out west so there will be many overlapping spotbeams which is the reason you only have 2 transponders with a zero signal.
Absolutely right Halo. In the East as well as your own spotbeams you will see several others because the cities with locals are much closer together. In the Western part of the U.S. a lot of the time the only spot beam that you can receive is your "own", particularly with HD locals because so few cities have them. As the number of cities with HD locals increases there will be more spotbeams and so you might find you are on the edge of someone else's spotbeam. When the DirecTV 10 and 11 sats launch next year there will be national channels from 99 and 103 so at that point you will start to see those transponders.

If you are in the West right now the chances are you will only see one of the 99/103 satellites and even then only a couple of transponders on "your" satellite. You can't peak your dish for 99 signals if there are none.

As far as other transponders are concerned, there are all sorts of things that affect signal strength. The design of multisatellite dishes is a compromise and the gain for each satellite varies depending on where you are in the country, even if your dish pointing is perfect. Your signal strength is affected by the length of your cable run and other equipment like multiswitches and diplexers. Signal strength meters do not read the same between different types of STB, and even between different examples of the same STB - there is no standard definition of what 60 means, or how strong the signal has to be to give a 100 reading. Some models of the H20 in particular give lower signal strength readings than some of the other STBs. This is why it is so difficult to say what signal levels you should be getting. Having the signal levels from someone near you with the same dish, same receiver and same cable run is a good indication but still not perfect. Comparing your numbers with someone on the other side of the country is a waste of time.
 

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cybrsurfer said:
I don't care where you are geographically in the US, with a correctly aligned dish you should get all tp's on 101,110 &119 and most tp's on 99 & 103.
Absolutely NOT true for all the reasons others have posted.

If you install the AT9 or Slimline in accordance with the instructions, and do the fine tuning alignment per instructions, your dish should be optimized for all 5 satellites. Future additions of national beams on 99 or 103 will work even if you don't see anything at all on them currently (because you are not in an active spot beam).

As texasbrit noted, in order to compare signal strengths you have to
set up both dishes in the same location and make sure they are both aligned. Then test them both with the SAME receiver.
Any other comparison of signal strengths is almost totally meaningless.

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Absolutely NOT true for all the reasons others have posted.

If you install the AT9 or Slimline in accordance with the instructions, and do the fine tuning alignment per instructions, your dish should be optimized for all 5 satellites. Future additions of national beams on 99 or 103 will work even if you don't see anything at all on them currently (because you are not in an active spot beam).

As texasbrit noted, in order to compare signal strengths you have to

Any other comparison of signal strengths is almost totally meaningless.

Carl
Thanks everyone for the feedback...:)
 

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carl6 said:
Absolutely NOT true for all the reasons others have posted.

If you install the AT9 or Slimline in accordance with the instructions, and do the fine tuning alignment per instructions, your dish should be optimized for all 5 satellites. Future additions of national beams on 99 or 103 will work even if you don't see anything at all on them currently (because you are not in an active spot beam).

As texasbrit noted, in order to compare signal strengths you have to

Any other comparison of signal strengths is almost totally meaningless.

Carl
I'm finding on PM's that I'm getting and reading other posts about readings, that there are many others who get almost the same readings as I do. So it does help confirm that atleast in the Northeast, you should get the readings posted by others. Comparing and sharing information is helpful.

I agree that it appears that in Western US there are tp's that should be zero on Conus satellites. I'm not arguing that point.
 
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