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So fed up with HR2* bugs I could EXPLODE!

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This has really gotten unbelievable. I went out this weekend and bought an HR22 at Best Buy hoping that it would be more reliable than my HR20-100. My hope was that maybe the HR20-100 had some drive read problems or maybe, as much as DirecTV has been fooling with correcting bugs on it, just maybe the HR20-100 hardware just had some problems that couldn't be worked around with software fixes. Maybe the new one, being newer and updated, would be better and I wouldn't lose shows, come home to a bricked DVR, or get gray shows recorded.

Much to my surprise (not) the HR22 recorded two gray recordings back to back within 3 days of it being installed (two Criss Angel Mindfreak shows on Wed). And yes, it had already downloaded the latest NR software before that and had been reset once already. Luckily, I moved our old HR20-100 to the bedroom so that we now have two DVR's and by chance, the old HR20-100 recorded the two shows that were gray on the HR22. So now, I guess if nothing else, between two DVR's, maybe I'll increase my chances a little of actually getting the shows we want recorded.

The state of the software for the HR2* DVR's is absolutely abysmal! When is DirecTV going to get us reliable hardware and software that can simply record shows without completely locking up, missing recordings with cryptic error messages, or recording the entire show as gray with no sound? I've really had it with DirecTV's lack of quality on these DVR's to the point that I wish I hadn't invested even more money on another DVR to try to fix it. That was stupid on my part because if I didn't have so much invested in it, I'd go back to cable! I honestly cannot recommend DirecTV to anyone at this time. They have the most HD channels but as of this time, if only 50% of your recordings actually work, what good are they?

Mike
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So you have problems with a DVR at one location. Then you move it to a new location and it works fine and you add a new DVR to the old location and it acts like the first one did at that location.
While this isn't proof positive, it does kind of point to "that location" as being the problem, be it the cables, multi-switch, etc.
Recently, problems like this have been solved by either realigning the dish or replacing the LNB (the "head" piece that sticks out away from the dish)
Assuming the problem stays at the same location then I'd be leaning toward bad BBC, bad cable, bad switch or bad LNB. A lot of these issues have been troubleshooted down to being one of the above and nothing to do with the receiver.

If you'd like help troubleshooting this then let us know, might take a week or so to narrow it down.
It seems that even the smallest signal disruption that might just cause the occasional pixelization or brief “771” message on live TV can cause blank recordings. I’d look to connector problems on the cabling or, if you didn’t keep them with the HR20, the BBC’s.
I too am growing tired of the unreliable nature of the HR2xs and the missed recordings, 771 errors, etc. The solution is TIVO. In six months to a year, when the new HD Directivo is here, my hr2x's are going back, and I can't wait.
jal said:
I too am growing tired of the unreliable nature of the HR2xs and the missed recordings, 771 errors, etc. The solution is TIVO. In six months to a year, when the new HD Directivo is here, my hr2x's are going back, and I can't wait.
If a Tivo is installed in the same faulty environment (bad cables, alignment, switches, LNB's, etc) as an HR series DVR, it too will be unreliable.
davring said:
If a Tivo is installed in the same faulty environment (bad cables, alignment, switches, LNB's, etc) as an HR series DVR, it too will be unreliable.
:beatdeadhorse:
Haven't you heard Tivo is the cure for everything?
veryoldschool said:
:beatdeadhorse:
Haven't you heard Tivo is the cure for everything?
Nope, never heard any comments like that before:)
jal said:
I too am growing tired of the unreliable nature of the HR2xs and the missed recordings, 771 errors, etc. The solution is TIVO. In six months to a year, when the new HD Directivo is here, my hr2x's are going back, and I can't wait.
You do realize that the Tivo announcement mentioned the second half of 2009. This would be at least nine months and possibly much longer.
That's ok, I can wait. And, for those above who criticized my post, I look at things simply. I had the same dish with my Directivo Hr10-250 (a 5 lnb) and never had these types of problems. So, its not unreasonable to think that past expereince may be indicative of future experience. And, Directv obviously is aware of these problems, because many on this board have said that hell would freeze over before Directv paired up again with Tivo. Well, I guess hell froze over. Directv knows it has a problem product, and is going back to Tivo. My guess is they will keep selling both platforms until they see the TIVO acts reliably as it is expected to do. Once that happens, we will see the HR2X out of production.
jal said:
That's ok, I can wait. And, for those above who criticized my post, I look at things simply. I had the same dish with my Directivo Hr10-250 (a 5 lnb) and never had these types of problems.
"Except": the HR10-250 only used the 950-1450 MHz block, and the HR20/21/22 uses 250-750 MHz, 950-1450 MHz, and 1650-2150 MHz bands.
By the nature of RF, it can pass at one set of frequencies and not at others.
If there is a problem with your system, then anything using those same frequencies, will have the same problems.
You can of course, live with what you have, wait a year + maybe, get a "magical Tivo" and then find that you need to solve the same problems you're having now.
Folks, we have a discussion thread for the TiVo press release. Let's get this one back on topic, please.
I certainly didn't take from the original post that the first DVR is now working perfectly in the new location - just that it didn't get a grey recording of the same shows as DVR #2.

All the points brought up abouyt cables, multiswitch, BBC issues may be valid but we don;t have enough info to jump to those conclusions.
Sirshagg said:
I certainly didn't take from the original post that the first DVR is now working perfectly in the new location - just that it didn't get a grey recording of the same shows as DVR #2.

All the points brought up abouyt cables, multiswitch, BBC issues may be valid but we don;t have enough info to jump to those conclusions.
Having the #2 post, and reading #1, "it looks like", but with more information,.....
My original post may have been misleading because I don't think it is location dependent. Neither box is working properly; the last software rev that worked properly was 1FE: only problem with that was an occasional audio drop. The national release is now 255 if I remember correctly. Since 1FE, each CE and NR has alternated between gray screen recordings and lockups. In other words, they'll fix the gray screen recordings in one release, but the lockups are back where the HR2* is found brain dead about once a day or once every other day. Then in the next release, they'll make the lockups better (maybe) but we'll be back to gray screen recordings again. This has gone on for months. I was in the CE process for about 3 months until I determined that the CE releases were so buggy that I had to stop... until recently when I tried the latest CE out of desperation, but only on the HR20-100.

Long story short, the old HR20-100 has the last CE (I believe 279) on it and the new HR22 has the latest national release (255). The national release always had gray screen recording problems (on both units) and the latest CE just has occasional lockups but no gray recordings. Seems software related to me, especially since we've had other HD receivers (but not DVR's) in those same two locations without a problem and the other two (SD) receivers never have a problem. Given that, and the 98-100 signal strength I get on all transponders, I don't think it's the LNB. Even if it was, I know of nothing in the chain that could cause either a gray recording or a lockup. That has to be software. If there was loss of signal, which the multiswitch or LNB could cause, there would be a "searching for satellite signal" message and/or a truncated recording: not gray. We never have a problem with reception: only recordings, and LNB/multiswitch problems would show up when watching live TV.

Mike
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Mike,

I feel for you and your situation. I've been in the same boat since I made the switch to the HR2X series in January after waiting since the original release of the product to have some time to mature. I have and am still experiencing the same issues that you are and occasionally some of the other issues regularly discussed her on DBSTalk, as well. I've had a case open with DirecTV Case Management since February and talk to the team and my Case Manager usually once or twice a week. There have been countless visits (and missed/rescheduled visits) from techs and field engineers. I've had my entire system (including cabling, dish, connectors, etc...) replaced twice and have had more receivers than I can count. I have and continue to give DirecTV every possible opportunity to resolve this issue and I continue to faithfully pay my bill so as to provide no reason for them to provide any less service than they would to any other customer. I document and report each issue I experience to DirecTV Case Management. I would suggest calling DirecTV Customer Service each time you experience an issue so as to build cause to escalate the issues you're having to a level more highly visible to DirecTV.

In having been extremely persistent with DirecTV in working with them on these issues, I can tell you that they are aware of them, but currently they do not have any additional information to provide us customers in terms of a solution. "Engineering is continuing to look at these issues" is what I consistently hear from my Case Manager when they tell me they are checking the status of the problems in the communication mechanism they have with their Engineering contacts. However, there seems to be no solution currently in sight for these issues. As I've been told by multiple techs, field engineers and Case Managers, these problems seem inherent to the HR2X platform (H/W & S/W) and DirecTV system. The problems are difficult to reproduce on-demand and sporadic but frequent in nature for many who experience them.

As a customer, I have taken a step back and am letting DirecTV work these problems toward resolution. I do everything they ask, provide information and perform tests when asked. It's their hardware, software and system, so it's up to them to show me it can work as they say it should. DBSTalk is a great place to sound off and get information about the products/services. It's good to know others are experiencing similar issues and are just as frustrated, if not more so. However, it bothers me that we as customers have to resort to receiving troubleshooting information through DBSTalk rather than DirecTV because I feel it has shifted the burden of ensuring the product is functioning properly from DirecTV to ourselves. Despite knowing that DirecTV watches these forums, I still feel it is incumbent upon myself as a customer to report the issues directly to DirecTV. This assures that DirecTV has properly documented my call, problems I'm experiencing and their actions taken should further examination or retrospection of these events be required in the future.

Looking at the HR2X product's performance/reliability in isolation--that is ignoring competing products/services and past DirecTV products, my opinion is that the HR2X series hasn't been and currently isn't a very good product. If the problems that are occurring are hardware in nature, we'll have to continue to live with the issues until the platform is replaced/re-engineered, wait until an alternative DirecTV product is available or choose to take our business elsewhere. If the problems are software-related in nature, we can continue to hold out hope that the DirecTV engineers/developers will be able to diagnose and resolve these issues in a future update to the platform. Whatever the case, ultimately we will have to wait for a solution since it is abundantly clear that there isn't any one solution to address these problems: this *is* the current state of this product and DirecTV's system.
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I honestly believe that nearly all blank recordings are due to problems with the satellite signals. A signal problem could be caused by anywhere beginning with the LNB’s, all the way through the splitters, cables, connectors, multiswtiches up to the “F” connection on the back of the IRD. I’ll bet if there was some way to certify that all of those components were 100% operational and secure that you’d never have a blank recording.

Because there are multiple things that can cause lockups, I won’t suggest that satellite signal issues are the primary cause of that problem, but it could contribute. I personally had an HR20 lockup due to a bad connection at the multiswitch. I had experienced lock-ups before, but I was never able to determine the cause. I will say that since correcting the bad connection, I have not had any other lockups, but it’s only been a month, so time will tell, and with other changes (mainly in software) there’s no way to know for certain.

Of course many people will argue that their signals are all fantastic. Well, mine always shave been too. The bad connection I had was very intermittent. The only reason I finally found it was because I had recently added another cable run for another receiver and that made me think that possibly I had disturbed something when I connected it to the switch. Sure enough, when I went back to look, I found a crimp connector that was loose and the slightest movement allowed it to disconnect. After that, I checked all my other connections and all were secure.

Don’t get me wrong, I am not stating that satellite signal issues are solely to blame, just that they are the root cause of the problems. Of course the hardware and/or software in the HR2x’s is also to blame. These machines should not lock-up or miss an entire recording just because of an intermittent signal failure. In effect, it is a hardware and/or software problem, but the reason why some people have sever problems and other rarely have problems is likely due to the quality of the signal delivered to the receiver.

This is more conjecture and armchair engineering, but I suspect that when a tuner changes channels for a recording, if it takes too long to get a signal as it might with an intermittent problem or a low signal strength, the software never connects the tuner’s output stream to the process thread that writes to the hard disk. The tuner may eventually acquire the signal, but by now it’s too late and all that gets recorded is a data stream of nothing. Also, I believe that somehow the software gets sort of hung in a loop with an intermittent signal. It may be some process it tries performing to reset the tuner.

Again, I am not saying I know what the problem is. I am just making suppositions based on my experiences with a very intermittent signal problem and my nearly 30 years of software programming experience.
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I had an issue with blank recordings. Moved the receiver and still had the problem. Completely wiped it and still had the problem. Finally replaced it and no more problem.
TJFriday said:
Mike,

I feel for you and your situation. I've been in the same boat since I made the switch to the HR2X series in January after waiting since the original release of the product to have some time to mature. I have and am still experiencing the same issues that you are and occasionally some of the other issues regularly discussed her on DBSTalk, as well. I've had a case open with DirecTV Case Management since February and talk to the team and my Case Manager usually once or twice a week. There have been countless visits (and missed/rescheduled visits) from techs and field engineers. I've had my entire system (including cabling, dish, connectors, etc...) replaced twice and have had more receivers than I can count. I have and continue to give DirecTV every possible opportunity to resolve this issue and I continue to faithfully pay my bill so as to provide no reason for them to provide any less service than they would to any other customer. I document and report each issue I experience to DirecTV Case Management. I would suggest calling DirecTV Customer Service each time you experience an issue so as to build cause to escalate the issues you're having to a level more highly visible to DirecTV.

In having been extremely persistent with DirecTV in working with them on these issues, I can tell you that they are aware of them, but currently they do not have any additional information to provide us customers in terms of a solution. "Engineering is continuing to look at these issues" is what I consistently hear from my Case Manager when they tell me they are checking the status of the problems in the communication mechanism they have with their Engineering contacts. However, there seems to be no solution currently in sight for these issues. As I've been told by multiple techs, field engineers and Case Managers, these problems seem inherent to the HR2X platform (H/W & S/W) and DirecTV system. The problems are difficult to reproduce on-demand and sporadic but frequent in nature for many who experience them.

As a customer, I have taken a step back and am letting DirecTV work these problems toward resolution. I do everything they ask, provide information and perform tests when asked. It's their hardware, software and system, so it's up to them to show me it can work as they say it should. DBSTalk is a great place to sound off and get information about the products/services. It's good to know others are experiencing similar issues and are just as frustrated, if not more so. However, it bothers me that we as customers have to resort to receiving troubleshooting information through DBSTalk rather than DirecTV because I feel it has shifted the burden of ensuring the product is functioning properly from DirecTV to ourselves. Despite knowing that DirecTV watches these forums, I still feel it is incumbent upon myself as a customer to report the issues directly to DirecTV. This assures that DirecTV has properly documented my call, problems I'm experiencing and their actions taken should further examination or retrospection of these events be required in the future.

Looking at the HR2X product's performance/reliability in isolation--that is ignoring competing products/services and past DirecTV products, my opinion is that the HR2X series hasn't been and currently isn't a very good product. If the problems that are occurring are hardware in nature, we'll have to continue to live with the issues until the platform is replaced/re-engineered, wait until an alternative DirecTV product is available or choose to take our business elsewhere. If the problems are software-related in nature, we can continue to hold out hope that the DirecTV engineers/developers will be able to diagnose and resolve these issues in a future update to the platform. Whatever the case, ultimately we will have to wait for a solution since it is abundantly clear that there isn't any one solution to address these problems: this *is* the current state of this product and DirecTV's system.
I'm sorry, but while you may have difficulties, far too many of us aren't. If the problem was related to the software, we would all be seeing the same thing and frankly, we're not. Same goes for hardware. I haven't seen a blank recording in so long I don't remember when.. and I record 40-60 hrs per week on 2 dvr's.

I am not doubting that you have an issue, but I don't think your reasoning is sound. If the software and hardware were that bad, there would be millions of subscribers in trouble and there just aren't. Pursue the problem with DirecTV's Ellen Fillipiak (sp?) department. Layout your entire problem in an email and request assistance in getting to the bottom of the problem.
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