[Blitz68]

Does Dish Network use spot beams for locals like DirecTV?

 

[ndyclrk]

For most locals, yes.

 

[alebowgm]

The locals on Dish which are not on Spotbeam include the following...

SD not Spotbeam

61.5 - Providence
105 - Sioux City, Columbus OH, Charleston WV, Dayton, Clarksburg, Charlottesville
110 - Denver, Chicago
118 - None
119 - Atlanta (via NPS), San Francisco (via NPS), New York City
121 - Erie, Wausau, Providence, Wichita Falls
129 - Erie, Sioux City, Columbus OH, Wausau, Charleston WV, Dayton, Wichita Falls, Clarksburg, Charlottesville, Harrisonburg (not yet available to subscribers)
148 - Grand Junction, Medford, Cheyenne, Lubbock, Casper, Bismarck, Rapid City, San Angelo, Abilene

HD not Spotbeam (all MPEG 4 unless otherwise noted)

61.5 - Washington D.C. , Philadelphia, Boston, New York City, CBS New York City - MPEG 2 (not yet available to subscribers)
105 - None
110 - None
118 - St. Louis, Detroit, Raleigh, Pittsburgh
119 - None
121 - None
129 - Los Angeles, Chicago, Albuquerque, Denver, Nashville, Minneapolis, Atlanta, Salt Lake City, Kansas City
148 - CBS Los Angeles - MPEG 2 (not yet available to subscribers)

 

[joblo]

ConUS locals on 110 and 119 include major nets only, not complete markets.

 

[BobS]

Atlanta/SF via NPS are not locals (they are DNS). E* provides Atlanta analog locals (not "SD") on 110 if I recall correctly. SD and HD are subsets of digital. In Feb 2009 when analog disappears are you going to say that there is no more SD programming - that everything is HD? To All: The real world draws the distinction as indicated. It's high time that the "experts" here did the same. Otherwise your are perpetuating bad (misleading) information. I know "HD" is a sexier term and a lot easier to say. So use DTV or DIG ("dij"') or DSD/DHD or something you come up with but please stop calling analog by a digital modifier and using HD to refer to all digital. And don't resist just because I am the one suggesting this change. If you think about it in a quite moment of reflection you will see that this is the right thing to.

The locals on Dish which are not on Spotbeam include the following...

Analog SD not Spotbeam

61.5 - Providence
105 - Sioux City, Columbus OH, Charleston WV, Dayton, Clarksburg, Charlottesville
110 - Denver, Chicago
118 - None
119 - Atlanta (via NPS), San Francisco (via NPS), New York City
121 - Erie, Wausau, Providence, Wichita Falls
129 - Erie, Sioux City, Columbus OH, Wausau, Charleston WV, Dayton, Wichita Falls, Clarksburg, Charlottesville, Harrisonburg (not yet available to subscribers)
148 - Grand Junction, Medford, Cheyenne, Lubbock, Casper, Bismarck, Rapid City, San Angelo, Abilene

Digital SD/HD not Spotbeam (all MPEG 4 unless otherwise noted)

61.5 - Washington D.C. , Philadelphia, Boston, New York City, CBS New York City - MPEG 2 (not yet available to subscribers)
105 - None
110 - None
118 - St. Louis, Detroit, Raleigh, Pittsburgh
119 - None
121 - None
129 - Los Angeles, Chicago, Albuquerque, Denver, Nashville, Minneapolis, Atlanta, Salt Lake City, Kansas City
148 - CBS Los Angeles - MPEG 2 (not yet available to subscribers)

 

[James Long]

BobS, if you are going to be picky you should note that the only SD ATSC channels that E* carries are carried along with the NTSC analog channels. The ATSC channels that E* is carrying in the 6300 range are all HD from the stations (with the station creating a HD signal and providing said signal in HD to E*). For example, I have a SD ATSC sub-channel as part of my local market LIL package. (7095 ESBT is only broadcast OTA as "22.2", a subcarrier of WSBT-DT's feed. This is not an LP that is also on an ATSC channel.)

 

[tnsprin]

The locals on Dish which are not on Spotbeam include the following...

SD not Spotbeam

61.5 - Providence
105 - Sioux City, Columbus OH, Charleston WV, Dayton, Clarksburg, Charlottesville
110 - Denver, Chicago
118 - None
119 - Atlanta (via NPS), San Francisco (via NPS), New York City
121 - Erie, Wausau, Providence, Wichita Falls
129 - Erie, Sioux City, Columbus OH, Wausau, Charleston WV, Dayton, Wichita Falls, Clarksburg, Charlottesville, Harrisonburg (not yet available to subscribers)
148 - Grand Junction, Medford, Cheyenne, Lubbock, Casper, Bismarck, Rapid City, San Angelo, Abilene

HD not Spotbeam (all MPEG 4 unless otherwise noted)

61.5 - Washington D.C. , Philadelphia, Boston, New York City, CBS New York City - MPEG 2 (not yet available to subscribers)
105 - None
110 - None
118 - St. Louis, Detroit, Raleigh, Pittsburgh
119 - None
121 - None
129 - Los Angeles, Chicago, Albuquerque, Denver, Nashville, Minneapolis, Atlanta, Salt Lake City, Kansas City
148 - CBS Los Angeles - MPEG 2 (not yet available to subscribers)

Which are you calling NOT YET AVAILABLE? As far as I know these are all available, certainly CBS NY is although I think CBS LA is now on a spot beam (129?)

 

[psnarula]

while we are talking about directv -- does anybody have a spotbeam map for directv local channels? what about something like the dish channel chart that shows all channels and which transponders / satellites they come from?

 

[Blitz68]

while we are talking about directv -- does anybody have a spotbeam map for directv local channels? what about something like the dish channel chart that shows all channels and which transponders / satellites they come from?

There is one but I do not have it. Check in the DirecTV forum.

 

[Greg Bimson]

Go here.

 

[JohnH]

Which are you calling NOT YET AVAILABLE? As far as I know these are all available, certainly CBS NY is although I think CBS LA is now on a spot beam (129?)

129 does not have spotbeam(s).

NOT YET AVAILABLE probably refers to the wished for Distant Network legislation.
Although, both LA and NY MPEG2 CBS may be available to local subs in those markets.

 

[James Long]

Go here.

Good work Greg. I'd love to find all the data points to draw "accurate" circles for D* like I did for E10, E8 and E7 (hidden in .gxt files within the Schedule S filings for E10) but couldn't find the data. Your drawings seem "spot on" for all practical purposes.

 

[BobS]

I'm not quite understanding you but I am a little under the weather today and heavily medicated. Bottom line - if the originator is providing a digitally encoded signal that is "digital." The actually programming may be SD or HD (or one of the weird ones if used). You cannot view this signal on an "old style" TV without help (e.g. a desktop box). If the signal is analogically encoded that is "analog." If you are close enough you can sit out in the middle of a field with a battery operated set and rabbit ears and receive the signal. The details of signal transportation and manipulation (OBAC/OBOC/etc.) are not terribly interesting (well they are for techo-wonks but not for the average user). It is not a case of being picky (pedantic for no good reason) but reflecting the reality of the technology. If the population associates "SD" with analog and "HD" with (any) digital then how do you explain (unteach them) in February 2009? Because using the sloppy definitions, "SD" will no longer exist and all TV will be "HD." It isn't such a burden to use SDTV and HDTV correctly is it? I am not saying that there isn't another way to do this (perhaps using OLDTV, LOWTV, HIGHTV?) as long as the goal of not conflating two different things is met and the general public is able to understand what is going on. On a related matter, I think that the concept of virtual channels should be better explained. The goal is laudable but if a station is broadcasting DTV on Channel 50 but having it show up on Channel 5, then the poor viewer is trying all day to orient a VHF antenna. In many cases it might not matter but it is a classical example of the technology getting ahead of the knowledge of how to use it.

BobS, if you are going to be picky you should note that the only SD ATSC channels that E* carries are carried along with the NTSC analog channels. The ATSC channels that E* is carrying in the 6300 range are all HD from the stations (with the station creating a HD signal and providing said signal in HD to E*). For example, I have a SD ATSC sub-channel as part of my local market LIL package. (7095 ESBT is only broadcast OTA as "22.2", a subcarrier of WSBT-DT's feed. This is not an LP that is also on an ATSC channel.)

 

[James Long]

BobS, that is beyond the scope of this thread.

HD implies "digital", since in the US you can't get high def TV OTA without digital. Everything E* does is digital - regardless of source material - and THEY refer to their program offerings as SD and HD. Adding another layer of confusion isn't needed. If you want to "introduce" labels that carry no confusion at all use the proper terms for the form of broadcast: NTSC analog, ATSC digital. We don't need another "HD Lite" type of word that needs explaining and arguing over every time it is used. NTSC (analog) and ATSC (digital) have specific meanings.

Also watch for the future ... some day you WILL be able to take a portable battery operated set out into a field and watch ATSC digital TV.

 

[Greg Bimson]

Thanks, James.

To all reading this thread: James helped find a link to the spot-beam information for the DirecTV 7S satellite. If it weren't for that link, I couldn't have found the information I needed in order to complete the spot-beam map for DirecTV 7S.

Which is precisely why I share it here.

 

[psnarula]

Go here.

thank you -- this is exactly what i was looking for.

 

[shadough]

The locals on Dish which are not on Spotbeam include the following...

SD not Spotbeam

110 - Denver, Chicago

I disagree w/ Denver. I used to subscribe to Denver DNS but Dish network shut those signals off for me in May of 2004 and told me they were moved to a spotbeam. I had to chose 1 of the other cities to replace it. Chicago I know was on 110 since that was 1 of the cities I had up until the big shut off but now that dish can no longer sell distants, and since they recently moved Atlanta to spotbeams, I would think Chicago would of been moved too?!? I can't confirm that of course.

 

[Shellback X 23]

I disagree w/ Denver. I used to subscribe to Denver DNS but Dish network shut those signals off for me in May of 2004 and told me they were moved to a spotbeam. I had to chose 1 of the other cities to replace it. Chicago I know was on 110 since that was 1 of the cities I had up until the big shut off but now that dish can no longer sell distants, and since they recently moved Atlanta to spotbeams, I would think Chicago would of been moved too?!? I can't confirm that of course.

I had Denver on 110 (and NYC on 119) up until Dec. 1st and at that time I was just north of San Antonio, TX. Now I get NPS.

 

[psnarula]

I disagree w/ Denver. I used to subscribe to Denver DNS but Dish network shut those signals off for me in May of 2004 and told me they were moved to a spotbeam. I had to chose 1 of the other cities to replace it. Chicago I know was on 110 since that was 1 of the cities I had up until the big shut off but now that dish can no longer sell distants, and since they recently moved Atlanta to spotbeams, I would think Chicago would of been moved too?!? I can't confirm that of course.

you might have been told that denver locals were moved to a spotbeam but that isn't true. the "big 4" denver sd locals and the denver cw affiliate are on conus transponders -- see channels 8200 through 8204 here:

http://ekb.dbstalk.com/dishlist.htm

the "big 4" chicago sd locals are also available nationwide.

you might have been "cut off" but if you "moved" you could get those channels back. of course, they will probably eventually go to spotbeams and then you'll really be cut off.

 

[Aransay]

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