[Skeeterman]

Have the DISH 1000.2 antenna mast mounted some three feet from the Dish 500 antenna. It is perfect vertical on all 90, and 180 degrees. The Dish 500 antenna is still hooked up to the D/N 508 PVR receiver. Here are the peak angles on the 500... Azimuth...203, Elevation...42, and Skew...113. There is a signal strength of 77 on the green scale.

I have the dish mounting bracket on the 1000.2 set as follows... Skew...113, and Elevation...42. Just tight enough to keep the two setting from moving. I mounted the bracket to the reflector/dish, and set the dish bracket on the pole. Installed the bolts, but did not tighten them..Just thumb/finger tight. I have a satellite compass that has a line from true North to 180 degrees. There is also another gold line mark that points to 203 on the compass to get my azimuth setting. With these three setting, I may be in business to do some coax cable work.

I also have a satellite signal finder that I will take a short( 5' RG-6 coax, attached it to the 119 out port Port 1 on the triple LNBF to the IN on the signal finder, remove the coax from the Dish 500 LNB, attached it to OUT on the signal finder. My 508 PVR is powered up. I should get a reading of some sorts. What is the best meter reading I should get? Same as I have on the Dish 500 of 77.

Anyone have a better plan for installing the 1000.2?

 

[topcat0399]

Have the DISH 1000.2 antenna mast mounted some three feet from the Dish 500 antenna. It is perfect vertical on all 90, and 180 degrees. The Dish 500 antenna is still hooked up to the D/N 508 PVR receiver. Here are the peak angles on the 500... Azimuth...203, Elevation...42, and Skew...113. There is a signal strength of 77 on the green scale.

I have the dish mounting bracket on the 1000.2 set as follows... Skew...113, and Elevation...42. Just tight enough to keep the two setting from moving. I mounted the bracket to the reflector/dish, and set the dish bracket on the pole. Installed the bolts, but did not tighten them..Just thumb/finger tight. I have a satellite compass that has a line from true North to 180 degrees. There is also another gold line mark that points to 203 on the compass to get my azimuth setting. With these three setting, I may be in business to do some coax cable work.

I also have a satellite signal finder that I will take a short( 5' RG-6 coax, attached it to the 119 out port Port 1 on the triple LNBF to the IN on the signal finder, remove the coax from the Dish 500 LNB, attached it to OUT on the signal finder. My 508 PVR is powered up. I should get a reading of some sorts. What is the best meter reading I should get? Same as I have on the Dish 500 of 77.

Anyone have a better plan for installing the 1000.2?

it would be helpful if you posted your zip code.

the 1000.2 dish is aimed 9 degrees further west than a dish 500.

a 500 Dish for 119/110 is aiming exactly BETWEEN the 119 and the 110 sat locations in the sky.

The 1000.2 Dish is aimed exactly BETWEEN the 119 and the 129 sat locations in the sky. So in essence, you are aiming the center of the 1000.2 dish smack dab at the 110 sat.

find out what the magnectic compass direction for the 110 sat is from your zip code, and aim the SEAM on the "bracket" of that dish 1000.2 at that azimuth. Im thinking your "rough" elevation setting should be somewhere around 30-32. Skew should be ok at around 114-116. Then peak your Dish using your meter. Just get the meter as high a level as you can. then run a check switch and see if you get all sats. go from there.

remember, the initial settings of compass aim, and elevation settings are ROUGH INITIAL settings only. they will change slightly when you "peak" in a dish.

 

[CABill]

The existing 500 has an Azimuth that is the midpoint of the Az values for 110 and 119. That 203º isn't where you would want to point the 1000.2. It will point AT 119 (average of the Az of a dish 300 for 110 and 129). If you change the 508 to a 300 instead of a 500 and select 119, it will give you the Az you want to point the arm of the 1000.2 as a starting value. I'd just connect port 1 of the 1000.2 to the 508 and use Transponder 11 to try to get 119 dialed in. If the sat finder works for you, that's fine too. I've never seen one, nor needed one. Strength should be about the same as 500, but that will vary by transponder. With 119 locked, do a switch check to see if you get 110 and 129 too. You'll have limited transponders on 129 to check strength with using a 508 - 5, 16, 17, 21, & 32 for sure, maybe another too.

The Installation instructions for the 1000.2 have Az, El, and Skew by zip code - use those. For 956xx zip codes, the 1000.2 skew is 88º but the 500 skew for 110-119 is 82º on the 508 so you should NOT assume they are the same. Nor should you assume the Az differs by 9º from 110 to 119.

 

[SatHookUp Network]

yeah, use a digistat and foucus on the 119 orbital

 

[topcat0399]

The existing 500 has an Azimuth that is the midpoint of the Az values for 110 and 119. That 203º isn't where you would want to point the 1000.2. It will point AT 119 (average of the Az of a dish 300 for 110 and 129). If you change the 508 to a 300 instead of a 500 and select 119, it will give you the Az you want to point the arm of the 1000.2 as a starting value. I'd just connect port 1 of the 1000.2 to the 508 and use Transponder 11 to try to get 119 dialed in. If the sat finder works for you, that's fine too. I've never seen one, nor needed one. Strength should be about the same as 500, but that will vary by transponder. With 119 locked, do a switch check to see if you get 110 and 129 too. You'll have limited transponders on 129 to check strength with using a 508 - 5, 16, 17, 21, & 32 for sure, maybe another too.

The Installation instructions for the 1000.2 have Az, El, and Skew by zip code - use those. For 956xx zip codes, the 1000.2 skew is 88º but the 500 skew for 110-119 is 82º on the 508 so you should NOT assume they are the same. Nor should you assume the Az differs by 9º from 110 to 119.

Dish network uses OFFSET dishs, so using the ARM to compass aim a dish is a BAD practice. You can be several degrees off and never hit your sats unless you know what your doing. Really, the seam of the polar plate on the dish is the "center".

why dont people get this?

 

[Skeeterman]

Here are my coordinates--- Street address and Zip Code...Azimuth, Elevation. and Skew readings.

Satellite 110

Azimuth (True) 203
Azimuth (Maga) 199.8

Elevation 44.5

LNB Skew 18.1 (What is this?)


Satellite 119

Azimuth (True) 215.6
Azimuth )Maga) 214.4

Elevation 40.5

LNB Skew 27.7


Satellite 129

Azimuth (True) 227.5
Azimuth (Maga) 224.3

Elevation 34.5

LNB Skew 36.


At present my peak angle reading on my Dish 508 is Azimuth..203, Elevation...42, and Skew 113. with a signal strength of 77.
So it appears my 508 is off some by these numbers.

To get my 1000.2 in operation, do I set the receiver on 119 satellite, and go from there? Not to be so concerned with 110, and 129 Sat's. From all the ways to set up a Dish Network antenna, I've read to start on the 119 satellite.


From the zip code readings above, it looks like 129 satellite is about 9.9 degrees west (right) of 119... Would that be correct?

Another question. Do I take my azimuth on the True, or Magnetic of the compass? There is a difference...

My compass is designed for satellite installation, as it has a device that clips to the top of the antenna/reflector to get a true reading.

 

[CABill]

Indepence, KS is 67301 zipcode so I'll use it. Any 673xx zipcode gives a 500 peak angle of 203º Az. 42 El, and 203 Sk as you originally posted. Those numbers represent the AVERAGE of the Az & El values for 110 and 119 when you select a 300 instead of a 500. You used something more precise to get the values for your zipcode though:
(199.8 + 214.4)/2=207
(44.5 + 40.5) / 2 = 42.5
The peak angles value from the receiver, and those shown in the 1000.2 install instructions ignore the last two digits of the zipcode to just get you "close". The 203º for the 500 is right for some zipcodes in 673XX, but not "right on" for most. The 673XX values from 1000.2 instructions list
209 Az, 39 El, 117 Skew
I'd certainly use those El and Skew values as a starting point. The average of your posted 110 El and 129 El is 39.5. For Az,
(199.8 + 224.3) / 2 = 213.65
so it is off about the same 4º from the DISH supplied values for a 500 at your zipcode.

Either way, the Az values are about 6º west of the 500 values (which shouldn't be used as a guide. Where the 1000.2 should point is nearly the same as the single dish Az and El for 119 in the center of 110 and 129. But change the Skew to 117 first.

 

[CABill]

Dish network uses OFFSET dishs, so using the ARM to compass aim a dish is a BAD practice. You can be several degrees off and never hit your sats unless you know what your doing. Really, the seam of the polar plate on the dish is the "center".

why dont people get this?

The only reason I replied at all was because your post was SO incorrect. You told him to aim at 110, that a 1000.2 was aimed 9º off from a 500. I suspect you KNEW what to do but typed 110 where you meant 119 and typed 119 where you meant 110.

elevation setting should be somewhere around 30-32. Skew should be ok at around 114-116.

If he used that as a starting point, he'd be pointing his seam for a VERY long time. Aiming the arm works just fine, especially if you start somewhere close to where it is supposed to be pointed.

 

[topcat0399]

The only reason I replied at all was because your post was SO incorrect. You told him to aim at 110, that a 1000.2 was aimed 9º off from a 500. I suspect you KNEW what to do but typed 110 where you meant 119 and typed 119 where you meant 110.

If he used that as a starting point, he'd be pointing his seam for a VERY long time. Aiming the arm works just fine, especially if you start somewhere close to where it is supposed to be pointed.

yes, i did mistype. i did mean to say center aim that dish at 119. my mistake. thanks for the correction.

it is true that a 1000.2 dish is center aimed 9 degress west of a dish 500 pointed at 110/119.

the main reason that we teach at our shop to use the SEAM is because of the offset, and new techs sighting along the arm have nothing but problems.

good day to you.

 

[CABill]

it is true that a 1000.2 dish is center aimed 9 degress west of a dish 500 pointed at 110/119.

No, that is NOT true. You aim the 500 at the center of 110 & 119 and aim the 1000.2 "almost" directly at 119. The difference will be one half of the Az difference between 110 and 119 (which itself isn't 9º to begin with everywhere around the US). The most Az difference I've noticed between 110 and 119 is 17º and half that would be close to 9º, but mostly out here on the west coast. For zipcode 673XX, the difference between the 500 and 1000.2 is 6º. For zipcode 958XX (Sacramento), the 1000.2 instructions list 161º Az and the receiver says a 500 is 153º. Chicago (60661) shows 223º Az for a 1000.2 and 218º Az for a 500.

 

[topcat0399]

No, that is NOT true. You aim the 500 at the center of 110 & 119 and aim the 1000.2 "almost" directly at 119. The difference will be one half of the Az difference between 110 and 119 (which itself isn't 9º to begin with everywhere around the US). The most Az difference I've noticed between 110 and 119 is 17º and half that would be close to 9º, but mostly out here on the west coast. For zipcode 673XX, the difference between the 500 and 1000.2 is 6º. For zipcode 958XX (Sacramento), the 1000.2 instructions list 161º Az and the receiver says a 500 is 153º. Chicago (60661) shows 223º Az for a 1000.2 and 218º Az for a 500.

ya know, i must be sleep walking these days.

in theory it should be around 9 degrees, if was directly north of 119, or directly north from the midpoint between 110/119. im certainly not.

when i look at my stuff here from my site survey: (midwest) it is true that it is generally closer to 6 degrees aiming difference.

dont worry, the doctor is due to renew my prescription soon......

 

[Jim5506]

The degrees measured between satellites are centered on the center of the earth.

The exact degree from any one location between 110 and 119 varies all over the place. From the north pole it is slightly less than 9 degrees because you are looking slightly down at the satellites (they are not perpendicular to the earth's axis at your lvantage point), from the equater at 114.5 degrees w longitude, since you are closer to the satellites than the earth's axis, the angle would be wider than 9 degrees. As you move east or west from that location, the angle would narrow.

It's a trigonometric mess to figure out.

 

[Skeeterman]

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the main reason that we teach at our shop to use the SEAM is because of the offset, and new techs sighting along the arm have nothing but problems.

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You used the term ..."SEAM" here. On the Dish 1000.2, where is the seam, and what should I be looking at?

Tomorrow, I will get up on the roof with projected 110 heat index forcasted, and see what happens.

 

[topcat0399]

[QUOTE)

the main reason that we teach at our shop to use the SEAM is because of the offset, and new techs sighting along the arm have nothing but problems.

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You used the term ..."SEAM" here. On the Dish 1000.2, where is the seam, and what should I be looking at?

Tomorrow, I will get up on the roof with projected 110 heat index forcasted, and see what happens.[/QUOTE]

the SEAM is the part that actually clamps to the mast/pole, with the bolts thru it on the back (part of the polar plate).

 

[Skeeterman]

You used the term ..."SEAM" here. On the Dish 1000.2, where is the seam, and what should I be looking at?

Tomorrow, I will get up on the roof with projected 110 heat index forecasted, and see what happens.

the SEAM is the part that actually clamps to the mast/pole, with the bolts through it on the back (part of the polar plate).[/QUOTE]

My guess that was the area...seam. Great, it works.

However, here is how I did my 1000.2 alignment. The Dish 500 is mounted to the fascia board on the roof edge. Mounted the 1000.2 3-1/2' up to the left of the 500 on same fascia board. The mast is perfect plumb, both 90 and 180 degrees. I set my elevation and screw before before installing on the pole/mast. Attached the LNB(s) to the arm. Did my three RG6 coax from the LNB(s) out, allowing about 6 feet, as they will be screwed to a "block" with ground. I did my azimuth location, but I stopped there. From the based of the 1000.2 arm where it comes under the reflector, I measured from there to the same location on the Dish 500. I applied the same dimension (distance) to the outer arm at the LNB(s), so the angle of both dish arms have the same angle to the satellites. I had no problems getting a great signal on the 1000.2 antenna.