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Watched Groundhog's Day on TNT HD last night and it looked like it was stretched at the edges, but not in the middle. When they did a pan across the alarm clock, you could see the 0 start out fat, then go skinny and go fat again as panned across the screen. I HATE watching stretched stuff. Why would they do this? I think next time I'll just record the SD version.
 

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TNT HD appears to stretch many of it's shows.

This is not the fault of the S3. TNT HD shows the same stretched picture on my SA 8300HD cable box that it shows on my S3.
 

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Stretching is a common mode to get an 4:3 image to fit 16:9. Often you don't notice it but other times, its "What the heck..."
 

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Stretching is a common mode to get an 4:3 image to fit 16:9. Often you don't notice it but other times, its "What the heck..."
It is true that TNT is stretching some titles to fit 16:9 and infering that this is in fact HD. You'll note that they actually never claim it is but leave it to you to assume that just because it's coming down from an "HD" channel, thT particular title is in fact HD. The problem is that the bulk, not all, but the bulk of the content that TNT shows is of a vintage that would require a retransfer of the original video to a resolution that would be consisdered HD. The recent Rocky series run is a good example. The "prints" that TNT has licenced (in effect, rents) are SD for regular broadcast. TNT is not going to pay the freight (at about $10 per minute) to have these titles retransfered in HD so that the studio can turn around and offer the license at a premium price to the next guy who licenses the title. So, TNT make do with "stretching" their existing licensed title to fit. Sorry if this is TMI but you'll find more of this going on as the desire to tout the fact that yourr channel xmits in HD excedes the amount of content available in the format. Hope that helps.
 

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I HATE watching stretched stuff. Why would they do this? I think next time I'll just record the SD version.
I agree with you - I am not at all a fan of the stretch-o-vision method! However, because they are called TNT-HD, people expect that the programming fit their entire 16:9 screen (and some get very angry if it doesn't, claiming "this is NOT HD" and such). Well, in fact it is NOT HD, but they stretch it to fill the 16:9 mode screen and alienate (somewhat anyway) those that would prefer to just see their non-HD 4:3 programs in a 4:3 box instead. A decision made on their part.

Also, recording the SD version will take up less drive space :).

It will be interesting to see when D*s satellite capacity allows them "up to 150 national HD channels" how many of those channels will be using this same method of stretching SD content on their HD feeds or using the pillar box method.
 

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It is true that TNT is stretching some titles to fit 16:9 and infering that this is in fact HD. You'll note that they actually never claim it is but leave it to you to assume that just because it's coming down from an "HD" channel, thT particular title is in fact HD. The problem is that the bulk, not all, but the bulk of the content that TNT shows is of a vintage that would require a retransfer of the original video to a resolution that would be consisdered HD. The recent Rocky series run is a good example. The "prints" that TNT has licenced (in effect, rents) are SD for regular broadcast. TNT is not going to pay the freight (at about $10 per minute) to have these titles retransfered in HD so that the studio can turn around and offer the license at a premium price to the next guy who licenses the title. So, TNT make do with "stretching" their existing licensed title to fit. Sorry if this is TMI but you'll find more of this going on as the desire to tout the fact that yourr channel xmits in HD excedes the amount of content available in the format. Hope that helps.
Great post... Not TMI by any means!
 

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I agree with you - I am not at all a fan of the stretch-o-vision method! However, because they are called TNT-HD, people expect that the programming fit their entire 16:9 screen (and some get very angry if it doesn't, claiming "this is NOT HD" and such). Well, in fact it is NOT HD, but they stretch it to fill the 16:9 mode screen and alienate (somewhat anyway) those that would prefer to just see their non-HD 4:3 programs in a 4:3 box instead. A decision made on their part.

Also, recording the SD version will take up less drive space :).

It will be interesting to see when D*s satellite capacity allows them "up to 150 national HD channels" how many of those channels will be using this same method of stretching SD content on their HD feeds or using the pillar box method.
Have you ever wondered why commercial breaks fill the entire 16:9 area? Because TNT-HD is up converting 480p and (in many cases) stretching. I'm sure its a matter of opinion, but I prefer what they are doing instead of showing 90% of their content with black bars on the right and left side of the screen.

I don't think anyone can argue that it doesn't look FAR better than the SD version of the channel.
 

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Great post... Not TMI by any means!
Thanks. In a previous lifetime, I worked product development for the launch of the VOOM service. This was when they had their own bird. We would pay the frieght for the HD title transfers as most of the theatrical content was already licensed by Rainbow for the AMC channels. About one in ten titles would show up as the DVD masters. Anamorphic 16:9 yes, but HD no. We would have to send them back. It wasn't that the studios were trying to pull a fast one, but even they had trouble understanding the difference! We had some fun screening the things and trying to decide if it was just a bad HD dub or SD.
 

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On my sammy its called "Panorma". The center remains the same and the edges are pulled to fill the screen. This way images in the center look "normal" as opposed to "stretch" where everything is streched evenly.
 

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On my sammy its called "Panorma". The center remains the same and the edges are pulled to fill the screen. This way images in the center look "normal" as opposed to "stretch" where everything is streched evenly.
To me that's even worse.
 

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I'm sure its a matter of opinion, but I prefer what they are doing instead of showing 90% of their content with black bars on the right and left side of the screen.
Definitely a matter of opinion as I hate it.
 

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I got onto the TNT website and sent an e-mail to complain about their use of "Stretch-O-Vision". It seems to me that they're just mirroring the same content being broadcast on the SD TNT channel and are stretching the image to fill the screen. Perhaps if enough people contacted them and complained they might actually do something about it.
 

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Of course, as a tech support person for Directv, this causes some confused customers to call for the opposite reasons. ESPN HD and ESPN2 HD would put the picture into their own bracket, and some of the multitude of customers who prefer stretch-o-vision (gah, I LOVE that moniker!) would call to complain about the grey bars...had to explain it was ESPN putting their own bars on...and I would still have to explain why we couldn't take them off....:sigh:
 

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I hate TV manufacturers for coming up with stretch-o-vision in the first place. If the stupid option was never available, the world would be a better place.
All stretching any broadcast from 4:3 to 16:9 does is make those with a widescreen TV feel they're getting their $$$ worth. I prefer to watch a broadcast as it was filmed, without some third party making a decision to stretch it for me. If a viewer likes to see the whole screen full of an image, the view can do that on their own TV. There isn't one widescreen TV on the market that I'm aware of that doesn't give you the option. When TNT does this there is no "unstretch" option for me.
 
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