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I'm in the middle of a remodel and I know it's easy to say "run extra cable just in case"...problem is after awhile that cat5e/6 cable adds up...I thought I had everything figured out until someone said to me recently: "You are running extra cat6 to each room for HD video distribution, right?"...well I thought I was "in the know" on technology but after hearing him say this I'm obviously not...so for the question:

What would be the benefit of HD video distribution if I have D* HD DVRs connected to every tv in the home - assuming at that point MRV is upon us?
 

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I can't think of a single reason to have a HD signal distribution system set up if MRV is up and running and you have the right equipment for that.. In fact, MRV is more advanced...

My suggestion run at least 3 RG6 home runs from every possible TV location to one central distribution closet, as well as 2 CAT6 lines and a phone line(I'd rune 6 RG6 lines to the main TV Location)... Then you should be ready for anything that gets thrown at you.

The other thing you can do... Run 3 RG6 lines, 1 Cat 6e line, 1 phone line, and one empty conduit (with pull stings if your so inclined) to one main distribution closet.. Then you know you have no future issues because you can easily pull any new lines later on...
 

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What would be the benefit of HD video distribution if I have D* HD DVRs connected to every tv in the home - assuming at that point MRV is upon us?
Simply because I don't always record the same show on my other HD DVR's. With MRV - I could pause a recorded show in the living room and then go to the bedroom and continue watching the show...I could also choose which DVR to record a show on when I setting up a recording.
 

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I can't think of a single reason to have a HD signal distribution system set up if MRV is up and running and you have the right equipment for that.. In fact, MRV is more advanced...

My suggestion run at least 3 RG6 home runs from every possible TV location to one central distribution closet, as well as 2 CAT6 lines and a phone line(I'd rune 6 RG6 lines to the main TV Location)... Then you should be ready for anything that gets thrown at you.

The other thing you can do... Run 3 RG6 lines, 1 Cat 6e line, 1 phone line, and one empty conduit (with pull stings if your so inclined) to one main distribution closet.. Then you know you have no future issues because you can easily pull any new lines later on...
Why 6 RB6 lines to main tv area?

And secondly, I posed the question in the first place because I couldn't think of a reason to have a distribution system either...but I wasn't sure if I was missing something...

And lastly my "I'm a nOOb with this - can't you tell" question: Can someone explain where/how people run empty conduit and how do I "get at it" if I need it later on...I can't picture this at all...

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Why 6 RB6 lines to main tv area?

And secondly, I posed the question in the first place because I couldn't think of a reason to have a distribution system either...but I wasn't sure if I was missing something...

And lastly my "I'm a nOOb with this - can't you tell" question: Can someone explain where/how people run empty conduit and how do I "get at it" if I need it later on...I can't picture this at all...

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2 HD DVRs with OTA and no SWM....

or who knows what else might come out... what if some sat based VOD system comes out that you want on your main tv... I can make all kinds of reasons to have extra cables... :D

But obviously $ is an issue, so the real question is, if you upgrade anywhere, or add additional kinds of equipment, its usually in the main tv room (at least at first), so I always suggest having an extra set of everything to that location...

I'm always about worse case scenario too... another reason... in case someone breaks a cable... ok... its extreme, but I had a mouse that made my life ^%$&$ when I had to fish a new line through an attic!!!! And RG6 is cheap if you are only talking about 1 extra set of 3 lines to one room.... but like i said, conduit for future is always a simple and effective solution...
 

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I can't think of a single reason to have a HD signal distribution system set up if MRV is up and running and you have the right equipment for that.. In fact, MRV is more advanced...
How will MRV help you with Blu-ray? I also like having all my equipment in one place instead of spread out all over. I definitely would take HD distribution over MRV.
 

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How will MRV help you with Blu-ray? I also like having all my equipment in one place instead of spread out all over. I definitely would take HD distribution over MRV.
Good point although my wife has already told me she does not want to have to walk more than 15 feet to swap out a disc...
 

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I'm in the middle of a remodel and I know it's easy to say "run extra cable just in case"...problem is after awhile that cat5e/6 cable adds up...I thought I had everything figured out until someone said to me recently: "You are running extra cat6 to each room for HD video distribution, right?"...well I thought I was "in the know" on technology but after hearing him say this I'm obviously not...so for the question:

What would be the benefit of HD video distribution if I have D* HD DVRs connected to every tv in the home - assuming at that point MRV is upon us?
I think he's talking about HDMI over Cat 5 - for other video sources beside D* receivers.

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Depending on how your house is laid out, I'd just run the cables you need for now but plan on upgrading the system and add more later, if needed. If you have a single story house and have access to each room from a basement then running cables from below is relatively easy. If you have a two-story house the you'll need some sort of raceway between the basement and 2nd floor to run cables from the basement to your upper levels.

Run the wiring from the basement to the attic and then drop the wiring through the walls from above. Get some low voltage wiring boxes, which are nothing more than an open plastic frame to which you attach the outlet plates and covers. Don't use standard electrical boxes because adding more wiring becomes a difficult job if you have to deal with a closed box.

Find a central location where you can mount your multi-switches, distribution panels, etc., and run everything from there. I have a huge return duct on my 2nd floor which I use as a wiring closet. It's nothing more than a large open area behind the wall between my bedroom and laundry room on the 2nd floor. I got lucky and was able to create a direct path from there to the basement to run my wiring. I have a heavy nylon string that I have run through the raceway and tied off at each end. It's a simple task to run wiring by tying the cord to the end of a cable and then pulling it through from the other end.

Before you run off half-cocked and run all the cables everyone is suggesting, decide on how you plan on distributing the signals to each location. Decide what sources your currently have and potentially what you might need down the road. Chances are you'll only be half right anyway since technology and delivery systems change faster than most of us can keep up with it. At a minimum, however, I'd run at least one cat6 line and two RG6 cables to each room. Forget about using cat5 or cat5E because you'll want to set up a gigabit network and cat6 is required for that.

If you're thinking of going Blu-Ray and have more than one HDTV you might want to consider setting up a Home Theater PC with Vista Media Center. You can get Media Center Extenders for use in other areas of the house that will allow you to access the main HTPC from any location. I have a server set up with my HTPC and I can access it from anywhere on my home network. I rip all of my Blu-Ray, HD-DVD, and standard DVD movies to the server using AnyDVD HD and stream them over the network to remote PCs for playback using one of several playback codecs. The Vista Media Extenders should allow you to do basically the same thing without the need for a separate PC at each location. You can also incorporate tuners into the HTPC and use it as a DVR to record any OTA programming or in-the-clear QAM channels on digital cable or FIOS. A Tivo is probably still your best bet for recording any encrypted programming and satellite channels.
 

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Don't run a phone line...run an extra CAT 5e/6 in its place. You can use that for multiple phone connections...or as another network line if needed.

You may want to think about running satellite radio feeds if you're so inclined.

At my home we have 3 RG6 lines running to each TV location (currently used for Sat and Cable), and three CAT 6 (1 data, 1 phone 1 spare). At some locations I then have a small network switch.

The RG6 runs to a panel in the garage and the CAT 6 runs to a panel in my office closet where I keep my network equipment.

Don't forget home alarm equipment cabling.

Make sure and have power available at the panel locations for switches, amps, etc.

Make sure whoever does the cabling understands what they're doing and isn't exceeding the bend radius on the cables or getting the data cabling too close to electrical cables or other high interference sources.

In almost every situation it is far cheaper to run a spare CAT 5e/6 cable than put one in later.

Also, with DirecTV's track record on releasing products I wouldn't bank on MRV coming anytime soon.
 

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I can't think of a single reason to have a HD signal distribution system set up if MRV is up and running and you have the right equipment for that..
That's a big IF.;) But right now MRV is not up and running and I don't know how far you really need to go back to find it mentioned in one of the conference calls. Yes, I know it is coming, but other than "SOON" which could still be a year, we have no idea when.

HD Distribution. There are a couple of ways, the newest being using 2 CAT5e's and the proper equipment. Rumor is that Ethereal has a 1 CAT5e solution in the works, but who knows when it well be available. The old way is what I have. Basically 5 mini-coax connected to a Matrix switch. I can feed 4 rooms with 8 sources in any combination.

As for the amount of wiring adding up, yes it can, but it is still cheaper than fixing drywall when you need to fish another cable.;)
 

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Any suggestions on the distribution hardware at the closet and the TV locations? I'd certainly be interested in a whole house distribution as I'll be rewiring everything during the fall or spring (not sure which yet). I plan on doing cat5e/cat6 (haven't decided which yet) and RG6 to every room back to my server rack which will have patch panels for both sets of wires.
 

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Don't run a phone line...run an extra CAT 5e/6 in its place. You can use that for multiple phone connections...or as another network line if needed.

You may want to think about running satellite radio feeds if you're so inclined.

At my home we have 3 RG6 lines running to each TV location (currently used for Sat and Cable), and three CAT 6 (1 data, 1 phone 1 spare). At some locations I then have a small network switch.

The RG6 runs to a panel in the garage and the CAT 6 runs to a panel in my office closet where I keep my network equipment.

Don't forget home alarm equipment cabling.

Make sure and have power available at the panel locations for switches, amps, etc.

Make sure whoever does the cabling understands what they're doing and isn't exceeding the bend radius on the cables or getting the data cabling too close to electrical cables or other high interference sources.

In almost every situation it is far cheaper to run a spare CAT 5e/6 cable than put one in later.

Also, with DirecTV's track record on releasing products I wouldn't bank on MRV coming anytime soon.
Ok...I'm on the right track then...I planned on 3 RG6 and I was going to go one cat6 for network and one cat5e for phone...maybe cat6 would be better in case I end up using the connection for something else? I just thought cat6 for phone would be overkill...

Hadn't thought about sat radio...what connection is needed for that?

I am planning on having both the patch panel/networking and D* multiswitch in same location under the stairs...I don't have a basement or "usable" attic however so not sure how easy it will be to add on later (how could I - any ideas?)...
 

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I can't think of a single reason to have a HD signal distribution system set up if MRV is up and running
There's a couple I can think of off the top of my head: the first and most obvious one being the fact that you aren't limited to whatever you can access on the DVR. In one room I have HD-DVD, PS3, LD, VHS, DirecTV, and a makeshift HTPC. That can all be duplicated to other rooms without the cost and space of duplicating those components. The other issue is doing multi-room viewing, as in the same source in multiple rooms at the same time. You can play something in the den, have it also playing in the kitchen, so you can keep it going when someone gets up to get a snack and not have to miss anything. I had a bunch of people over for the opening ceremonies, and while I did have it recorded on the DVRs in two different rooms, I chose to play it on one, and split that signal to both rooms, as opposed to playing it directly in each room. Otherwise, the house would have quickly gotten out of sync as people skipped commercials, etc. And of course, the other blaring issue is: we don't know when MRV will become available.

I do have a question though: It seems people are leaning towards using extenders and doing HDMI over cat6. Is that just because of the lengths involved? Seems like that'd be more expensive than just running straight HDMI cables. But my house is relatively compact. I think the cable from my den to kitchen is only about 35'.
 

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The problem with long HDMI cable runs is that there are several different signals carried on different conductors and they have to remain in sync. For long distances the conductors need to be larger and the length relative to each other becomes very critical. Over 5 meters some type of equilization circuitry is usually recommended, but by using Cat 5e/6 and baluns the distance can be extended to 150 feet or so. Also, with the Cat 5e/6 in place if something new in distribution comes along you can hopefully just change the baluns. Another alternative is RapidRun from Cables to go but that uses a powered sending unit from 35 to 65 feet and for 75 to 100 feet they require both ends be powered. It is possible to exceed 5 meters without equalization and still get good results with 720P and 1080I but with 1080P it can get iffy.
 
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