Anything I should know as to how my new 4K UHD will perform on my dish account ?? -- I assume everything will works as it does now with my present TV
Thanks -- George
Thanks -- George
While they haven't spoken to the content issue, they've been more forthcoming with the hardware:BillJ said:I believe I read that Dish has plans for UHD in the next year or two but no details.
There doesn't seem to be any indication at this time. The heads up usually comes in the form of a new FCC device ID.georgewells said:Harsh - I read your reply about the 4K Joey - Are they doing anything about the Hopper/Sling since that is what my 4K TV will use not the Joey ?
That's not really a fair assessment. They UHD TVs render the incoming image to a 4K display but they certainly don't make it look like a UHD source.Jhon69 said:The new 4K UHDTV's also upconverts all signals to 4K.
Not the same as native 4k, but the picture is upconverted with smoothing and interpolation algorithms creating a better viewing experience with Dish's 1080i output.harsh said:That's not really a fair assessment. They UHD TVs render the incoming image to a 4K display but they certainly don't make it look like a UHD source.
do you believe in AI of the "smoothing and interpolation" in TV's FW? Or stay on realistic opininion - the robot cannot make better every very different kind of pictures, talking heads perhaps... imagine a picture of tropical forest with many tiny items, panning and a lot of flying colorful birds, at ground level - a cople dosen chimpanzee jumping on braches...or a blast of high rise in a thriller with thousands pieces crossing sky... you should know variety of pictures... it's impossible create SW algos to process HD to 4k as you wish.patmurphey said:Not the same as native 4k, but the picture is upconverted with smoothing and interpolation algorithms creating a better viewing experience with Dish's 1080i output.
Did you forget what up converting means?harsh said:That's not really a fair assessment. They UHD TVs render the incoming image to a 4K display but they certainly don't make it look like a UHD source.
Not at all, but I would argue that upconverting is only part of what happens.inkahauts said:Did you forget what up converting means?
Let me correct my statement.I recommend checking the Best Buy website concerning 4K UHDTVs,they have stated they will only sell 4K UHDTVs that have an upconverting ability that they require/approve otherwise Best Buy will not sell them.Jhon69 said:The new 4K UHDTV's also upconverts all signals to 4K.
Sure:http://www.bestbuy.com/site/home-solutions/4k-tv-resource-page/pcmcat300700050011.c?id=pcmcat300700050011inkahauts said:That's hilarious. And total bs if that's what they say. Do you have a link? The reality is all these displays are fixed pixel displays anymore. Which means all signals have to be converted and scaled to 4k on a 4k TV. It's not something they can just not do.
You can't make a 1080 signal a 4k signal picture quality.BillJ said:When I was researching my 4K purchase in December I asked several manufacturers about upconverting. All stated that they do not necessarily upconvert to 4K but do improve picture quality as much as possible. IOW, you might go from 480p or 720p to 1080p quality but don't expect 4K quality. Also, some only upconverted from the HDMI inputs.
Here's another link to the 4K UHDTV I bought from Best Buy,this link is from the manufacturer: http://www.vizio.com/tvs/mseries/m55c2.htmlinkahauts said:Pure bs. Sure not all are created equal but all scale. They physically have to or a source or 1080 would only cover half the screen.
Advanced scaling where it guesses better colors and such many don't but just scaling to fit the screen they all do. It's not an option.
That's as false an advertising as I have EVER seen!
I believe that all of you are correct that what I see is not True 4K UHD,but on the other side I know that where I live I will never have enough internet speed to stream 4K UHD anyways,I also know that Dish will probably never have their regular channels in 1080p simply because of bandwith restrictions not to mention what the cost would be for Dish to try and bring down True 4K UHD from their satellites since that would be(I'm guessing here) twice the bandwith of a 1080p signal.Stewart Vernon said:As already said... pure marketing spin and borderline lies... you can't create resolution from nothing. Some upscaling is better than others... but it's all "guesswork" by the computer really. You can't take 1080p and make a 2160p resolution picture that has the same level of detail as a native 2160p picture would have. You just can't.
The simplest form of upscaling, as noted, is simply doubling the pixels to fill the larger screen. At a minimum ALL 4K/UHD TVs would have to do this because if not, they would be displaying 1080p images in only a quarter of the screen! So some chipsets have some "smarter" than just doubling the pixels to attempt to guess... and the upscaling might look better to some than the same 1080p source on an HDTV... but bottom line, it's nowhere close to 4K/UHD after the upscaling.
We went through all this with Blu-ray players that upscaled DVD content... or HD receivers that upscale SD channels... there is no magic way to make more detail where there is none.
There are things that you just can't ask of people who are selling something because they're not going to give you the whole story. They are always going to pick their own lowest bar and tell you that there are products from other vendors that don't reach that bar.BillJ said:Also, some only upconverted from the HDMI inputs.