[chefwong]

I need to dig up certain brands....
Just plan to clean up some homemade runs from the outlets / jumpers to the receiver, etc.

Aside from PVC vs Plenum.....I'll need to look at some Canare, Belden -- studio Grade RG6. What I like about it for it's intended application is that the jacket is VERY flexiable. I'd be curios what ya'll are using to *finish* the termination from the wall back to your receivers, etc...

 

[P Smith]

regardless flexibility, minimal radius of any bent would be a critical factor; you can't make sharp turn

 

[chefwong]

I'm not making 90 bends ;-)

Simple things like when routing....if you are familiar with the *rubber* I'm talking about, they do make for a nicer looking install.

Kinda like electrical cord --- not all SOOOW cording is the same. Some are extremely pliable..

 

[veryoldschool]

I'm not making 90 bends ;-)

Simple things like when routing....if you are familiar with the *rubber* I'm talking about, they do make for a nicer looking install.

Kinda like electrical cord --- not all SOOOW cording is the same. Some are extremely pliable..

FWIW: coax shouldn't be that pliable, as it distorts the dielectric, which RF doesn't like.

 

[caseyf5]

I need to dig up certain brands....
Just plan to clean up some homemade runs from the outlets / jumpers to the receiver, etc.

Aside from PVC vs Plenum.....I'll need to look at some Canare, Belden -- studio Grade RG6. What I like about it for it's intended application is that the jacket is VERY flexiable. I'd be curios what ya'll are using to *finish* the termination from the wall back to your receivers, etc...

Hello chefwong,

Yes plenum is flexible but getting the right connectors for this type of cable is not easy. Plenum is mainly used with bnc connectors. I am not sure that plenum is made in rg-6 size. If you find some then the connectors might have to be jury rigged as they will most likely be the wrong size for the cable. May I suggest a right angle F type adapter instead. See the Monoprice url below (right angle adapters).

http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...=10430&cs_id=1043007&p_id=6775&seq=1&format=2

 

[west99999]

Hello chefwong,

Yes plenum is flexible but getting the right connectors for this type of cable is not easy. Plenum is mainly used with bnc connectors. I am not sure that plenum is made in rg-6 size. If you find some then the connectors might have to be jury rigged as they will most likely be the wrong size for the cable. May I suggest a right angle F type adapter instead. See the Monoprice url below (right angle adapters).

http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...=10430&cs_id=1043007&p_id=6775&seq=1&format=2

Plenum is available in RG6 and there are also connectors available. There would no need to jury rig anything.

 

[chefwong]

Ya'll are reading this all wrong.

This post was not about using PVC vs. Plenum in a tight radius.

I have tons of RG *drop cable* in my stash. Copper Core Belden single, dual with messenger, plenum, some siamese with fiber and cat6....

I'm simply stating when doing patch cords - ie; F connector from wallplate to the receiver, and or just making patch cords to the panel, etc...regular DROP service cable, regardless of whether is is PVC or NOT is nowhere as flexible as studio grade RG6. And the flexibility is just to make things tidy or making badass *exposed* cable by using cloth braid and then compression crimping a Canare F connector or it versus me just taking EX6L.

 

[west99999]

If it is that important to have your cable drop look nice why dont you just move it to where the wall plate is directly behind your equipment rack. That way it will not matter what type cable you have coming from the wall plate.

 

[P Smith]

I'm glad to see someone who has studio grade coax cable leftovers at his disposal.

 

[chefwong]

And just as a reference mark, for those who should stumble upon this....plenum cable requires plenum connectors. Not somuch for the rating..but the ID/OD is different and a regular non plenum cable connector will not fit....

If you supply a cable mechanic / electrician / your local time warner guy with plenum cable...they will just hack the cable to make it fit with their connectors.

Just some plenum knowledge should any of ya'll ever come across.......

 

[P Smith]

Oh, forgot to mention special plenum connectors too

 

[chefwong]

I'm actually sorta surprised no one else is into the finer details....
Most guys who visit the forums are enthusiasts in it's own right..

 

[veryoldschool]

I'm actually sorta surprised no one else is into the finer details....
Most guys who visit the forums are enthusiasts in it's own right..

Maybe they're more interested in good cables, that have less loss, than what you're thinking of.
You might look here for something that has more loss than RG59: http://forums.solidsignal.com/content.php/384-Introducing-Solid-Signal-Razor-Thin-Cable

 

[bigglebowski]

I know the kind of cable you are talking about, I used to use a piece as my test jumper. The outer jacket was rubbery, the dielectric was a opaque plastic and the braid/foil was all copper. It would almost hit the floor like a chain, which at times made it tangle more often then you would like. This cable is designed for "video" than RF as vos said. Most cable you run across this flexible will have a braided center conductor, but I guess thats what they make solder for.

The comments on plenum being flexible seemed odd, plenum is one of the least flexible cable I have worked with. Putting connectors on plenum are harder then most because of this lack of flex in the jacket. And of course plenum uses different connectors.

 

[veryoldschool]

I know the kind of cable you are talking about, I used to use a piece as my test jumper. The outer jacket was rubbery, the dielectric was a opaque plastic and the braid/foil was all copper. It would almost hit the floor like a chain, which at times made it tangle more often then you would like. This cable is designed for "video" than RF as vos said. Most cable you run across this flexible will have a braided center conductor, but I guess thats what they make solder for.

This sounds a lot like "BNC" cables, which are very flexible and aren't "high frequency".

 

[chefwong]

I'm going to have to digg and do some reading and research. Maybe bowski hit the nail on the head ? I know studio grade cable is used all the time for long runs fpr ~precision video~ applications but I suppose it's not the best for RF.

 

[ndole]

Oh, I forgot that video signals on coax aren't RF :lol:

 

[CurtP]

I'm actually sorta surprised no one else is into the finer details...

If most of my system is cabled with ULPVRG6SCBLK, I'm not going to waste 1694A on the last 6'. I'm more concerned about the crappy barrel connectors used on the made-in-China wall plates. On the rare occasion that I do use 1694A with F-connectors, I don't use it outside since the Canare FP-C53A connectors aren't weatherproof and I'm not going to use compression fittings on this kind of cable.

What I have been making is patch cables with 90° compression connectors to run from the wall plate to the receiver. I keep F-Conn and Platinum Tools 90° connectors on hand. My standard compression fittings of choice are Paladin SealTites, even though they're not DirecTV approved. ULPVRG6SCBLK is pretty damn flexible in its own right. I'd say it's as, if not more, flexible than 1694A. Even so, I always try to maintain minimum bend radius - something that many of the installers from various providers never seem to understand.

I used to make component cables for my installs but it's a lot easier to use one HDMI cable, even if it's a monster like the Blue Jeans Series-1, than it is to run and conceal a bundle of five 1694A cables. I still prefer component over HDMI though.

 

[chefwong]

I share similar thoughts on component, but it's just gotten so much easier with HDMI. Most of my HDMI are BJC as well, but on the whim....and picked up 2 amazon basics HDMI and they work equally just as fine. Got me rethinking on boutique cables again ;-)

Care to share why SealTites. I used to use SNS heavily but I switched over to PPC on all fronts and never looked back EX6L, RG11 variant as well as the plenum RG variants.

 

[CurtP]

I use BJC's HDMI cables that use Belden cable stock for all my own installs for many reasons. I really like the matte finish on the jacket, the cable stock is USA made, their customer service is outstanding and it's CM rated so I can run it in the wall. My only complaint is that I wish they made their Series-FE in 35' lengths, only because the Series-1 is a bear to route up through my monopole TV stand.

Paladin 9646 SealTite compression connectors are all metal instead of a steel sleeve over a plastic body. I've been using these since 2006 after I had to fix a Comcast install that had improperly installed/failed connectors that were steel sleeve over plastic body. I have no idea what connectors they used back then, but when the steel sleeve separated from the plastic body, they were no longer watertight and the cable would pull out. I've never had a problem with the connectors Cox or DirecTV use. I bought large quantities of the 9646 in 2007 and I'll use them until they're depleted.