[willr]

I have been aiming my Dish500 on a tripod during RV trips for years with no problems. I think I have a DP+ dual LNB. receiver is a 508 (sometimes I take along the 610 receiver)

I put my RV in a new spot in the mountains of PA for this summer and I have having problems aiming (through the trees). Experience has shown I don't need that big of a hole through the trees, but this time I can't seem to hit 119 (110 works fine) I will be back up to the RV in 2 weeks and will try again.

Question. At home I use the eastern Arc. I know there is nothing on 77 for me, but is there anyway I can hit 61.5 and 72.7 with my Dish 500? If a chance, what is the skew?

I know my local SD feeds are on 110 but if TV works, wife will be willing to go up to camper more often.

I can always resort to aiming at a single satellite (got the aim setting for single sat's already). It looks like the core programming in on 72.7. Since the elevation is higher on that sat I might have to try it.

Thanks.

 

[boba]

508 won't work on EA satellites you need a MPEG4 receiver.

 

[P Smith]

508 won't work on EA satellites you need a MPEG4 receiver.

Are you sure all channels on 61.5W are MPEG-4 ?

 

[willr]

thanks. Every spring when I turn the 508 back on, I need setup the dish in the yard so receiver is running before I drag it to a location where I can't call. This year I was lazy so I ran it to the last port on my DP44. I did notice when I plug the 508 into my DP44 which has 61.5, 72.7, 77 and 110 plugged into it, it don't seem to see 72.7 and 77. Can't recall if it saw 61.5 or not (I still have 110 plugged into the DP44 because I was running 1 SD TV (on HD box) and all the Phila locals on the EA are HD)

But if I ran my 610 or 710 in the RV, will the Dish 500 work with 61.5 and 72.7 with the correct skue?

 

[garys]

First off, there is no receiver 610 assuming you mean the 612. There is some mpeg2 (there is sd, but most is mpeg4) on 61.5, but not much, mostly PI channels. If you are only taking the 508, I would bother aiming for it. 72 has no sd at all.

 

[James Long]

There are four transponders on 61.5 that a 508 can see.
One has the public interest channels, one has FSN+ and a Business TV channel.
One has a PPV sports channel, a Business TV channel and the firmware downloads.
The fourth transponder has test channels.

There are plenty of SD channels on 72.7 but none of the transponders can be seen by a 508. One must have an 8PSK receiver to see anything on 72.7.

 

[willr]

Sorry, I posted the wrong receive model as 610. I leave a 508 in the receiver all summer, but those few trips when both my wife and daughter go to the RV with me, I will take the 722. I can run both tuners in the RV so we can watch 2 different channels on 2 different TV's (all are SD TV's in the RV)
Tuner 1 is connected to main TV with S-video.
Tuner 2 is connected to 2 different TV's in bedrooms through coax cable.

But can a dish 500 be aimed at the 72.7/61.5?

I figure 119-110 is 9 deg difference
72.7 - 61.5 - 11.2 deg difference.

If I can get it to work, and split the signal difference, I will be 1 deg off perfect aim on both satellite locations. But I need to figure out the skew

Edit: Dish just offered to upgrade my 508 to a 625. That would take care of my MPEG 4 problems. Now back to my original question
can a Dish 500 receive both the 72.7/61.5 orbit locations?

 

[garys]

Yes it can (I have done it). Use dishpointer with starting numbers for 1000.4 EA dish. SS not as high, but if you tune it in right you don't get many signal dropouts. Not as good as using an EA dish but it does work. You may look around as Dish introduced an EA dish for just 61.5 and 72, basically a 1000.4 EA dish but with only two lnb's.

 

[harsh]

Edit: Dish just offered to upgrade my 508 to a 625.

If you're an EA customer, I'd tell them to go fish. The 625 feeds two TVs, but it still won't help you with 61.5W and 72.7W. If it is a secondary receiver it will also cost you extra $/month.

The EA replacement of the 508 is the ViP612. Both are classed as solo DVRs for the purposes of the monthly fees.

 

[willr]

If you're an EA customer, I'd tell them to go fish. The 625 feeds two TVs, but it still won't help you with 61.5W and 72.7W. If it is a secondary receiver it will also cost you extra $/month.

The EA replacement of the 508 is the ViP612. Both are classed as solo DVRs for the purposes of the monthly fees.

I don't have the knowledge of the equipment that most of you guys do, I am just a user who points his own dish every time I move my RV (and supports his own equipment at home). I come here for expert advice I can't get from a dish CSR.

when I activate my 508 on it cost me an additional $10.00 per month (on top of the cost I pay for my other 3 receivers which are all HD-dvr receivers).

In the RV I only have SD tv's. I really don't even need DVR in the RV either.
in the house I use EA. in the RV I use a dish 500 on a tripod with a DP+ dual lnb. I have been aiming it at 110/119, but this summer I can't see that location. I told the dish CSR that I want a receiver that lets me use 61.5/72.7 OR 110/119. she offered the 522 or the 625.

What do you mean the 625 will not help with the 61.5w/72.7w? She indicated the 625 was an mpeg 4 receiver, and I thought you needed an mpeg 4 receiver for EA? What am I missing.

I think my locals (phila) SD are only on 110. Does this mean that I need an HD receiver to see my locals, even if using a SD TV?

 

[scooper]

The 625 will not do you ANY good for watching 61.5 / 72.7 - you have to use 110/119 with it. TO use 61.5 / 72.7 - you must use a VIP receiver.

 

[P Smith]

The 625 will not do you ANY good for watching 61.5 / 72.7 - you have to use 110/119 with it. TO use 61.5 / 72.7 - you must use a VIP receiver.

or 411 at least

 

[James Long]

or 411 at least

A 411 (which quickly became a ViP 211 with few 411s in the field) would be a good choice. A 311 should be able to see the 8PSK transponders ... If I recall correctly the SD on 72 is MPEG2 on 8PSK (which should work on a 311 and most DP receivers - the 301, 501, 508, 510 and prior SD models not seeing 8PSK).

I'd recommend at least the 211.

 

[willr]

Yes it can (I have done it). Use dishpointer with starting numbers for 1000.4 EA dish. SS not as high, but if you tune it in right you don't get many signal dropouts. Not as good as using an EA dish but it does work. You may look around as Dish introduced an EA dish for just 61.5 and 72, basically a 1000.4 EA dish but with only two lnb's.

Looking at the dishpointer, it gives me a skew of 84.1° (Turn counter-clockwise standing behind the dish)
Because my Dish 500 has 90 deg as level, I think I subtract 84.1 from 180 = 95.9 deg. Correct? The CCW makes sense since these 2 sats are east of due south to me.

Thanks for all the help.

 

[garys]

If your skew is 84.1, the skew would be set to 84.1. No math needed.

 

[willr]

If your skew is 84.1, the skew would be set to 84.1. No math needed.

But my Skew for 110/119 is 126 deg per what the receiver tells me, and previous practice aiming the dish...but the dishpoint website says to use 54.6.
180 - 54.6 = 125.4 deg.
The scale on my dish goes from something like 40-140 with 90 being "level".

 

[garys]

I take it you are not using a Dish Network dish? Their dish's have a skew plate with the proper numbers on it.

 

[willr]

I take it you are not using a Dish Network dish? Their dish's have a skew plate with the proper numbers on it.

I just went out and looked at it. It says Dishnetwork and has a 500 on it.
With the LNB's level with the ground, the dish skew is set to 90 deg.
When aimed at 110/119, you have to turn it until the line points at 126, just like the receiver tells you to do.

But when I run either dish (1000.4 or 500) through the dishpointer.com for zip 17251 it shows the skew shown in a past post.

 

[bigglebowski]

But my Skew for 110/119 is 126 deg per what the receiver tells me, and previous practice aiming the dish...but the dishpoint website says to use 54.6.
180 - 54.6 = 125.4 deg.
The scale on my dish goes from something like 40-140 with 90 being "level".

Your logic is right on this post in regards to 110/119 so for the EA at 84 degrees the dish would skew 6 degrees CCW from "level" of 90 degrees. It is not what you posted in post #14.

 

[Michael P]

A 411 (which quickly became a ViP 211 with few 411s in the field) would be a good choice. A 311 should be able to see the 8PSK transponders ... If I recall correctly the SD on 72 is MPEG2 on 8PSK (which should work on a 311 and most DP receivers - the 301, 501, 508, 510 and prior SD models not seeing 8PSK).

I'd recommend at least the 211.

No SD receiver can see MPEG 4. Are you sure 72 is 8PSK MPEG 2? I always believed the EA with the exception of the few transponders on 61.5 are MPEG4.

When there was a failure on one of the EA satellites many channels were temporally moved to 61.5. At the time I had a "mixed arc" setup with 119/110/61.5. When some of the SD channels were temporally parked on 61.5 my 622 suddenly started getting some SD off 61.5 that it used to get off 119 (even though 119 did not have a problem the 622 switched over based on the presence of the MPEG4 SD channel moved to 61.5). I had a daily timer in SD for a show I archive, the file size was cut nearly in half once the channel switched to 61.5.