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Just got a call with information on Dish Network / WalMart.

I guess it is official that WalMart will sell Dish Network equipment, my local WalMart has shelf space with a Dish Network Planogram taped to the wall.

Soon WalMart will be carrying Dish Network equipment they will be carrying the 301. The 301 will be branded RCA. No word who (if anyone) will install the equipment.

WalMart will have Discovery HD being shown on their HD sets within the next month.

There will be no other live feeds to WalMart.

DirecTV Equipment will no longer be sold at WalMart however DirecTV Certificates will be sold still. The equipment will be sold from the stores.

There will be no Dish Network advertising from WalMart untill November or December.
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Wal-Mart here now has the shelf space also.
Must be on rotation. Target recently lost Dish this year. On the other hand SAMS Club has been selling dish for some time now. Although I switched to Cosco this year I assume they still have it. I wonder if they are going to sell Dish the same way Radio Shack does.
"WalMart will have Discovery HD being shown on their HD sets within the next month."

<Groan>

Forget HD displays at my local WM. They still haven't figured out what
all those little red, white and yellow RCA jacks are for. And that strange
little black one (isn't that for a mouse), or the pretty red, blue, green ones.

These guys are more clueless than a 6 year old in a whorehouse.

Nickster :smoking:
This is one of the worst things that could happen to retailers in a LONG LONG time, look forward to hearing lots of complaints by retailers of this. They have already destroyed a business me and my dad has in which we have been in business for about 40 years. We had taken in 1,000-3,000 a day some days and now we are lucky to take that in every several months. They pretty well took us out of business. Now with satellites since they sold DirecTv and for so cheap there at last they really hurt my business that way and the customers would come to me wanting me to install it and I would make them take them back or give them a little credit for the systems just to get the sale so they would not think they were losing any money not getting to take it back.

Now that they are going to sell the same brand and for who knows how much less, its going to be awful hard to compete. I talked to another Dish dealer that also sold electronics and appliances and tv's and it put him out of business once on that and it will probably hurt him pretty bad if not put him out this time as well again. The bad thing is that they dont service what they sell and I do, and wha do I get in return? NOTHING but complaints and so forth.

I also know someone that sells lawn equipment and he did sell Snapper but a lot if not all Snapper dealers went on strike when Wal-Mart started selling them in which was not as good as the ones that the dealers sold and they wanted the dealers to service what Wal-Mart (their competition) sold and they all refused.

When it comes to these big chain stores espeically the big one like Wal-Mart getting this product comes more problems and less customer service. I will charge double to those that get their system there and not off of me for a service call or not service them at all. I am not going to help out my competition that put me and many other small businesses out support their customers, no way no how.
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That's the problem with selling a commodity item. It's like this, with only one seller in an area, a seller can mark the price up but still attract some buyers willing to pay the higher price. But when a lower price competitor come in, not only does the competitor get all the sales that the other guy missed, he also takes away the buyers who were willing to pay the higher price.

Wal Mart makes money by selling for less but making up the profit on volume. You basically have two options, retool your business to become a high volume, low cost seller and compete directly against Wal Mart. That's no small feat, but it has been done.

And if you can't beat em, join em. Compete on service end. Wal Mart won't be installing all those systems they sell. Perhaps, you could look at this as an opportunity. Go talk to your local Wal Mart manager and see about getting referrals. No, you don't get to sit in your air conditioned store and dole out receivers like gold ingots to customers, but then you didn't really think you'd get those fat markups forever, did you?

I had a friend who worked at a small supplier, and he complained to me about how the owner had signed on with Wal Mart and how they were losing their shirts on the deal and working like slaves to get production up. Well at year end the company posted its best year ever and everyone got a fat Christmas bonus and a raise.

Originally posted by Jacob S
This is one of the worst things that could happen to retailers in a LONG LONG time, look forward to hearing lots of complaints by retailers of this. They have already destroyed a business me and my dad has in which we have been in business for about 40 years. We had taken in 1,000-3,000 a day some days and now we are lucky to take that in every several months. They pretty well took us out of business. Now with satellites since they sold DirecTv and for so cheap there at last they really hurt my business that way and the customers would come to me wanting me to install it and I would make them take them back or give them a little credit for the systems just to get the sale so they would not think they were losing any money not getting to take it back.

Now that they are going to sell the same brand and for who knows how much less, its going to be awful hard to compete. I talked to another Dish dealer that also sold electronics and appliances and tv's and it put him out of business once on that and it will probably hurt him pretty bad if not put him out this time as well again. The bad thing is that they dont service what they sell and I do, and wha do I get in return? NOTHING but complaints and so forth.

I also know someone that sells lawn equipment and he did sell Snapper but a lot if not all Snapper dealers went on strike when Wal-Mart started selling them in which was not as good as the ones that the dealers sold and they wanted the dealers to service what Wal-Mart (their competition) sold and they all refused.

When it comes to these big chain stores espeically the big one like Wal-Mart getting this product comes more problems and less customer service. I will charge double to those that get their system there and not off of me for a service call or not service them at all. I am not going to help out my competition that put me and many other small businesses out support their customers, no way no how.
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"Forget HD displays at my local WM. They still haven't figured out what
all those little red, white and yellow RCA jacks are for. And that strange
little black one (isn't that for a mouse), or the pretty red, blue, green ones."

Same here. Except if you mention mouse, they'd tell you mouse poison is in lawn and garden:)
Well, if you look at the last salon.com articles on walmart is would seem that a lot of the price cuts are made because they keep payroll costs down. The article talks about systemic problems where store managers will get demoted if they don't keep costs down. So this gets the managers forcing employees to work off the clock. Locking the doors until all the work is done. Or payroll managers changing time cards after the fact to remove OT. Although worker relation complaints are common with most retailers, the article goes on to say that the scale of it's complaints outpace Target and K-Mart by a wide margin.

I'm in Minnesota, which is very firm Target country. Most of the walmarts here are in the outstate area where it's easy to knock off the ma' and pop store. I honestly don't understand the appeal of Walmart. My impressions have always been the stores have cramped isles, stuff tossed all over the place. The term Merchandising seems unknown. It's all unorganized and hard to find things. Being in the store just gets on my nerves. I want to know where that clean Walmart is they show in the commercials because in all my travels I've never seen one that looked that nice.

I shop at target and the isles are wide, stuff isn't clutter all over the place. It's easy to find things. If I were to print out the gift registry it will tell me exactly what isle everything is in. And 99% of the time it's right on the money. Even if it's an extra 10 cents for a bottle of dish soap that's -200% hassle. Well worth it to me.
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I'm a big Target fan too. As you say, wide aisles & a clean, well organized store are worth a little more. Also, don't automatically assume Wal-Mart is cheaper - most of the time, yes but not every time. A new Wal-Mart Supercenter is opening here in a couple months & I dread to see it. It can only be worse than the store we already have. HOWEVER, I am eager to see how they price the DISH equipment. I may wait on theirs before I change anything out. Someone here said it would be branded RCA. Is there any difference between one of those & one I would get from E*?
Originally posted by Kagato
I shop at target and the isles are wide, stuff isn't clutter all over the place. It's easy to find things.
With both Target and WalMart in the neighborhood, I get a chance to visit both and I agree that it's easier to find things at Target. The aisles are wider and there aren't nearly as many other customers in the way... ;)

It's true that their shelves are more tightly packed, but that's the result of carrying a very wide selection of products.

WalMart has managed to become the country's largest company (measured by revenue) without even being in all the populated neighborhoods. As any other retailer knows, it is a tough competitor. I wouldn't want to go head-to-head with it.
I dont think they sell very good electronics because everything I get and some others have gotten there just break or go haywire. Since they sell Dish then it probably wont be good either. Now I am going to have people coming to me with Dish systems wanting me to install them, what a load of bull crap. They will want me to put it in for free and stuff bc of the promotion and then try to turn me into Dish and Better Business Bureau and Attorney General for not doing something that Wal-Mart should do. This is rediculous.

I think we would be better off without Wal-Mart. The last time I was in there they charged me double for oranges and I said that I wanted the product free because they have this get the product free or get $3 off if they overcharge you. They said they had no policy and I said 'what is this then?' As they try to rip me off with not only the price of the oranges but the price guarantee as well. They made me get in the back of the line on top of that. Its about the principal, not about the money, and I got my price guarantee. Once before that a good long while back I got me those multi-function Christmas light sets and they overcharged me a few dollars and I said nicely that the price was incorrect that it was less back there on a sign and she was like 'Do you want them or not?' and I said that I wanted them at the correct price. These are two Wal-Mart stores that these occurred at. They smart me off, they put you out of business, and they sell products that go bad. Even the clothes I buy there fall apart even after an exchange.

It is a big shame to have such a store to put the smaller guys out of business that did not do such things as this so much and could service the customers better on a happier note.

Maybe the only good thing about this is that if they do have a cheaper price I can just go and buy some cheap parts if they are cheaper. Dish will regret this if piracy increases greatly as a result. Retailers would not put up with them just being bought and not installed in which anything could be done with them. I install every single satellite I sell, but I doubt that would happen with Wal-Mart's Dish systems.
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Originally posted by Scott Greczkowski
I guess it is official that WalMart will sell Dish Network equipment, my local WalMart has shelf space with a Dish Network Planogram taped to the wall.
Scott, I sense that you are a former Wal-Mart/Target employee. I worked at Target for 9 years and that's the only place I ever heard the word "Planogram." I was in charge of planograms for a while...

Back to the topic, I don't think I've spent more than $20 at a Wal-Mart total in my life. My wife and I are Target junkies (We met at Target :p ).

Anyway, interesting anti-WalMart story. The local city of Boulder, Colorado made a city injunction (or whatever) prohibiting Wal-Mart from opening a store in the city limits. Boulder is very mom&pop friendly. There is a Target and Kmart, though.

-Steve, soon to be a proud 721 owner.
I would like to see more injunctions, Wal-Mart is big enough. I would also like to see some Wal-Mart stores to shut down, especially the Super Wal-Mart stores. This would allow the economy to grow. No wonder why the economy continues to tumble and cant grow, the big businesses take over kicking out the smaller ones. Is it possible to get injunctions getting some Wal-Mart stores closed? Every type of business I try to get into Wal-Mart nearly puts me and dad out.
Question, is Walmart actually selling physical units?

From what I understand with the Radio Shack deal they don't have physical units in the store. They don't even have a demo since ShackTV is via DirecTV. They just take your name, address and some ammount of money. What ever installer is contracted will then come out with the hardware (Unless you have something special like a PVR, then that gets drop shipped from "the warehouse".) But the installers aren't Shack Employees. Someone put a bid in and got the contact.

I'm looking at Radio Shacks in a major metro market, I can't say I know what the Shack does at it's rural stores, or it's about 2000+ franchise stores.

Dish seems to be moving away from self install. And what a perfect way of dealing with theft at Walmart if you don't actually have the item to steal. So the question is how is Walmart doing this? Is there an oppertunity for the "little guy" to bid for an install contract?
Some Rat Shacks have inventory. Not sure avout Wal MArt
The franchise Shack here signs you up & contacts an installer - no inventory.
Wal Mart will have inventory. They will only have 301 systems but it will be inventory.
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Jacob S.
Do you ever do any handyman jobs, paint your own house, build anything for yourself i.e construction of extra bedrooms etc. Do you do any self work on your automobiles. Ever put siding on your house etc.
Then you are cheating others in other types of businesses that might depend on people like you for incomes and profits themselves.
I for one do appreciate seeing Wal Mart stores, Target stores etc come into an area make existing companies honest in their dealings because it makes it able for me to save a little bit of money here and there for items that I do have to purchase.
I am glad to see them in the area because it will make the existing company have to earn my money by either service offers or better competitive pricing per item.
I like getting the better price or the best price possible Not the only price in town.
You and your dad have obviously had it good for a while and are now seeing the disadvantages of competition in the neighborhood. Take a big deep breath and get over it.
Cowboy the hell up and quit your damn whining.
Try to be inventive in your endeavors and maybe make a little less per item and concentrate possibly on making more sales. volume.
You attitude sucks. By stating that anybody who asks me to install or service their stuff I'll charge double to sucks.

It doesn't surprise me though, we have dealers for dish in the area where I live who are exactly the same way.
When Dish was giving their $199 rebate our local Dish dealer was charging our area customers the full $199 to install a 2 receiver system. That is bull****.
I was able to buy a two receiver system for $59.00 over the internet and then receive a free installation kit and do the install myself and receive the full $199 rebate myself.
Because of their practice I personally steered over 100 customers away from them intentionally to the internet so that they could buy their systems at better prices. And then I installed a good number of their systems for them at a modest price. Not any where near the $199 price that the dealer was trying to charge.
For people who are even somewhat mechanically inclined or able to install their own systems then I say buy the system at the absolute lowest price and then install the system yourself.
It isn't that hard.
I am not sure what you mean service their equipment for them?
But any problems that I have seen that are equipment related have always had to be serviced or repaired by Dish (the company) Echostar themselves.
Some where I thought that I had read that you and maybe I am wrong on this one but I think it was you who said that you even gave away as much as 30% percent of your own commissions in order to facilitate the sale. Which would give the customer a good deal and make the sale alot easier.
If your not the same dealer who had stated this in other threads then I apologize for mixing you up with him.
For other dealers out there I apologize for the fact that these places make you work harder for your customers dollars. and that in these days people are inclined to look for the best deals out there. And for the fact that some people are able to do some of their own handyman work etc.
I have seen quite a few posts by the one dealer who is in question , but to the other dealers who post quite frequently here that I know of I've not seen you guys whining like this one. My hat is off to you, I applaude and salute you.
Face it , it is a fact of life. When you go out to buy a vehicle or appliances etc. You probably do exactly the same thing. (shop for the best possible price). If the price is not what you think is right then you probably go out of town to a Metropolitan area to get the price that you want.
I've actually seen some of the install jobs done by our local Dish dealer and well to say the least I'm not particularly impressed with the work they have done. Not to mention the lies that the local dealer tried to tell some of my friends about their install job. Telling one person that Oh yeah , you'll be able to get all of your local stations on this, No sir,you don't need two dishes to receive your locals. because that is exactly what I am installing for you now sir. This dish 500 is two dishes in one.
Bull****, the Dish 500 satellite dish aims at two satellite locations 119 and 110 degrees. You'll still need an extra dish to receive some of your other stations that you cannot receive on the dish 500.
Anyway , the customer was much displeased and wanted to know why can't I get these stations ? My friend has Dish and he gets those stations on his satellite system?

If a dealer wants to do business, tell the customer the full truth. Word of mouth is one of the biggest sellers in the industry , in time it'll either make or break a business.


Virtual Smith, The city of Boulder is scared ****less that they might have to compete with someone else instead of set their own prices and reap bigger profits from each individual sale. Yet the fact of the matter is that people of boulder would probably save money on things that they do purchase and have money left to buy something else. stretching their dollars
They probably just go out of town and buy most of the stuff somewhere else anyway.
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toomuchtv said
"Someone here said it would be branded RCA. Is there any difference between one of those & one I would get from E*?"

I doubt very much that the equipment is any different at all. After having 3 ea. of 4700 units remanufactured rma'd and two new receivers the last two which made a total of 5 were the Philips brand.
According to the way I was told that the receivers were all made at the same exact place. The name Philips was placed on the receivers for easier marketability. Sometimes a well known brand name is accepted by others easier.
Not to mention that the first 3 were rma's remanufactured Echostar receivers.
The final two receivers were NEW! dON'T know whether that is a plus or not but have not had to send them back for any reason yet. I tend to like NEW!
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let me correct this before you do Jacob I did find the exact dealer who was giving some of his commissions to help facilitate the sale and that was Jeffwtux.
It probably helps facilitate closing of the sales for him for someone that may just be toying with the thought or just inquiring about satellite tv.
word of mouth alone that this dealer would do that would also help his volume of sales .
People are looking for the best deal in town and Jeffwtux is providing that or at least trying to provide it in his area.
When people are shopping for the best deal in town NOT THE ONLY DEAL IN TOWN. they probably mention the deals that Jeffwtux gave them. So in this one particular area that Jeffwtux services that word of mouth will help his sales. I would imagine that word of mouth alone will increase those sales a great deal over the long haul.

This is the philosophy that WalMart relies upon is better pricing to the customer. It may well result in lower profit for each individual sale but the volume more than makes up for it.

Also keep in mind by having the product exposed to the masses like WalMart can do by showing the product in their store could help you more that you will possibly ever imagine.
There will be alot of people who just don't know much about the satellite systems industry buy maybe by seeing one in action it might just convince them to buy one.
Maybe a good portion of these people will not feel that the installation is something that they would want to tackle and then contact a local dealer installer to do the whole thing.
More people see the product , more people consider the purchase of the item, and eventually more people buy.

Could be free advertisement for your product.
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