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At this point I am sooooo frustrated with my local installer, IRONWOOD COMMUNICATIONS in No. Cal., I'm not sure what to do. They have missed my installation appt. FOUR times now. FOUR TIMES!!! Five more times and I can be Ferris Frickin' Bueller!!! I called their corp. office and DTV retention to help me with the problem and both times the local office WOULD NOT ALLOW either one of them to speak to a supervisor. WTF is that about? Finally a local guy called me and tried really hard to help me, by SCREWING OVER ANOTHER CUSTOMER!!! Basically he was going to call another guy off a job and send him to my house. WTF is that about?? Is that guy a bigger piece of crap than me? I don't know how. I doubt s/he has had his/her appts. missed four times. O.K. and here's the kicker...THEY DIDN'T HAVE AN INSTALLER ASSIGNED TO MY JOB! NO ONE! They guy at IRONWOOD COMMUNICATIONS told me that their printer broke and they didn't have any notes on my job, but then he proceeded to tell me about all the trouble that had happened on my account, FROM HIS NOTES!! Is that just a lie? At this point I don't know what to do with these guys. I called DTV again and another very nice retention rep. helped me out to re, re, re, reschedule(Only four re- , since this is the fifth appt. now) the appt. I know it's only TV, but it's not about that now. It's about screwing around with people's time and treating them like sh*t. Tell me...has anyone had to put up with this? I mean, five appts.???? Any help here on what to do would be great. DTV offered to allow me to purchase all of the equipment myself, but why do I have to do all of that? ARRRRRGGGHHHHH!!!!

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Unfortunately Ironwood has that kind of reputation. I had issues with them (here in PA) but not to the extent that you did. Part of their problem is that they overschedule their installers. One installer missed my appointment for that reason. He was supposed to come out early in the afternoon (by 4:00). When 4:30 rolled around, I called. They put me through to the installer - he said that he was on a really long install, and that he had 3 or 4 more in front of me, but he would get out there later that night. I talked with the installer a couple more times - the last time was around 10:30 that night - he was on the same install from that afternoon.

He apologized, and told me that I would need to reschedule. I called Ironwood, and expected at least some remorse "we're sorry for your inconvenience...", and maybe some accomodation "we can squeeze you in as a first appointment tomorrow..." I got neither. When I did get another appointment (4 days later), I became a major PIA - I called Ironwood repeatedly to see if they had me on the schedule yet. I also let them know that I would be taking vacation time becaus of their screw-up, and as a result I wanted a window that was shorter than 4 hours. I even had them call me that morning to ensure that the installer was still on time. Second time was the charm. They showed up, and when they did, I was a little confused.

They had 2 installers out. I just was upgrading a standard receiver to an R15 (I had upgraded a TiVo to an R15 about a month or so before, and I did it myself, so I couldn't figure out why they needed two guys for the job). I had just about everything set for them. All they needed to do was run a cable all of 10' to a multi-switch and plug the sucker in. Heck, they didn't even activate it for me! They called DirecTV, and then handed the phone to me (wow, I couldn't have done THAT on my own... thanks, Ironwood). Although they did make a big deal out of the fact that they programmed my remote for me... I shouldn't complain about the installers themselves. They were fine. Nice guys, and I felt bad giving the one the riot act the first time out (it was the same guy who was supposed to show up 4 days earlier).

From what I gather, with them, though, it's kind of a crap-shoot. When we first got our TiVo a few years ago the installer was awesome. He was brought in, with a bunch of other installers, from some other state - DirecTV was doing their $100 special - $100 for the DVR with professional installation - at the time and the DVRs were flying off the shelf. Not only did this guy do a great job, he took care of everything - including activating the service, showing me how it worked, putting all the important info together for me -- heck, he even rewired my phone line! I did a crappy job when I put in a splice to an existing phone line (have electrical tape, will travel!) And this guy replaced all of that with professional splices. Very impressive.

At the same time (literally within a day or two of me getting my TiVo), a coworker was getting set up with the same deal. He also had Ironwood... and he had all sorts of problems. The installer swore that he didn't need a second line to use both tuners. When he found out, a day later, that he did... he called Ironwood to complain... and they recommended that he call an electrician to add the line. At first he let it go, and then he decided that they didn't complete the install, and that he shouldn't have to pay extra to fix their mistake. He called - and he ended up yelling at them on the phone.
 

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I also have problems with Ironwood communcations when I had my r15 installed. they didnt like my tripod and wanted me to spend more money on a new mast. the senior installer most of the time was on his cell and the other installer was hooking up my tivo dvr in the bedroom and left me to run the setup program on the R15
 

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Jasen said:
I also have problems with Ironwood communcations when I had my r15 installed. they didnt like my tripod and wanted me to spend more money on a new mast. the senior installer most of the time was on his cell and the other installer was hooking up my tivo dvr in the bedroom and left me to run the setup program on the R15
I had a similar problem with Ironwood Communications in the Sacramento area. DTV ended up sending a subcontractor of Ironwood since demand was so high in my area. That was VERY pleasant, except for the fact that they wanted me to pay for a $60 mount that the CSR told me I didn't need at the time of order. The sub contractor told me he could NOT install the AT-9 Dish without this mount. Considering my order included a FREE professional install, I was surprised I had to write a check to a sub contractor…

At any rate, I called a CSR and they credited me $10 a month for the next 6 months to compensate.
 

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Ironwood, Bruister,Mastec, Directech, ect ect ect and a high percentage of ANYthing associated with the HSP and/or Msp D* Install program IS this way.

The techs ARE Underpaid,overworked,no tenure, and to top it off strong armed robbed with deceitful underlying & tactically articulated motives.

Real techs w/ time and experience WILL NOT get near it and due to EXtreme pay cuts and stipulations to adhere to ,.. the remaining "others" have began to QUIT.

Thus the install Network IS under manned and the Hsp's Have high percentages of VERY short tenured techs with high turn over rates Which Makes your appointment schedules and actual tangible install a "pure crap shoot".
 

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Directv owes you a $20 missed appointment credit for all the missed appointments. Call and get yours.
 

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I always pick the 8-12 install window. That way I'm usually up by 4:00 pm. If you pick the afternoon install you may always run into scheduling problems.
 

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Bruister has performed three installs for me at my current location: five years ago when I bought my current house, about 9 months ago when I added three additional receivers for my kids' rooms, and then a few weeks ago with the HR20. The first two went off like clockwork. As for the latest, when they actually had the hardware (the HR20) following my first canceled installation, the tech showed up on time (an hour early actually), took his time and did a great job on the install. The cancellation two weeks before sucked though because I didn't get the cancellation notice until 30 minutes after the installation window ended and I called D*.
 

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The SLC Ironwood office did a DVR upgrade for me and besides being late and not hooking up my phone lines they were great. Like previously stated I kind of assumed they'd be late so I scheduled my install between 8-12 so it wasn't much of a big deal.
 

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i just love to have screaming cust in my face cause ironwood and a host of others cant get their business together

the installers for cable one pay their installers by the hr so they have no reason to leave the job half @ss and stay and get it done right

why cant these other co. do the same their must be a better way

for the most part I HATE IRONWOOD
 

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This was how cable used to be until the competition heated up and they had to get their acts together. So for sat TV, there are only two options - and from what I hear, the same problems exist. ?
 

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To whomever PM'ed me. I am not giving you my account number, order number or any other number. If you were really trying to help, then thanks, otherwise...are you frickin' kidding me. Why would I give a complete stranger my account number???:nono:

Also, $20 for a missed appt. Then DTV owes me $80. I seriously doubt I will ever see that, but I have to say, the retention CSRs give away credits like it's nobodys business. They have definitely set me up. Now if I could actually get the hardware...
 

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To whomever PM me. I am not giving you my account number, order number or any other number. If you were really trying to help, then thanks, otherwise...are you frickin' kidding me. Why would I give a complete stranger my account number???:nono:

Also, $20 for a missed appt. Then DTV owes me $80. I seriously doubt I will ever see that, but I have to say, the retention CSRs give away credits like it's nobodys business. They have definitely set me up. Now if I could actually get the hardware...
mlobitz,

You presented a problem and you received some good info. Not sure about the PM you received but I agree that you shouldn't give any info to anyone via a PM.

If you want to get this problem solved call the Office of the President of DirecTV. 888 237-8327 is the latest number I have. Explain exactly what you've explained here. Be professional and civil. Don't yell at then. Just state your situation and say "I'm tired of this and I want to a) get my stuff working and b) need to know what you can do for me for my trouble." Explain the missed appts. But do so without any anger in your voice.....even though you would be entitled to it from your story. See if that doesn't work. Come back and let us know what happened after you call this number.

It's very obvious that DTV has an installer problem that doesn't seem to be on their radar scope. More calls from folks with problems can possibly accomplish this. I do believe that Bamatech, with all of his enthusiasm (that I appreciate) is one valuable link we have to the "real world" of what's going on with DTV installers. But when we encounter installer problems, we (customers) need to call and complain. I've had 4 installers out from the original "Mover's Connection" and they still have not properly grounded my dish. I plan on doing exactly what I have preached here and call the Office of the President's # with this problem tomorrow and see what it will take to get a properly grounded dish.

If we don't complain to the source, we have no right to complain.

If we don't complain to the source, they don't know we have a problem.

Source being DTV.

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they know Wolf. Heck as an example their very Own cx retention agents and Csr's have acknowledged this to me BY Pm here as a fact and by phone at Any call i make. It Is Quite known from "the tech world" Also. The Afs's (D* "installation ambulances" and subs as ive mentioned before) ARE running in HEAVY force through out Manny Dma's. I actually got some Info that Now due to Extreme problems in Certain DMA's that drop shippinng was to be occurring.

Man you guys just dont know what a mess it is. Its a SAD Joke from a industry stand point and when i read these posts in here it just reiterates what i Know before you guys even post it to this forum.
I SEE it and converse on it daily.

Imagine doing your own At-9 install w/ph lines and rigorous stipulations and then under a time quota too for less than 50$ & Knowing when less than 2 yrs ago that pay WAS $14o. To top it off Then knowing and installing from when D* First hit the heavens the pay was $199.

Nothing but the word FREE is involved in DBS satellite now and that ALSO means pretty much FREE labor it so sadly seems.

Who suffers ?... well must i say more.. I read it here Every week and See it every Day.
 

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Thanks for the president's number Wolfpack. Each time I have called DTV I have been more than gracious with explaining and re-, re-, re-, re-explaining the ridiculous situations and lack of common courtesy that has been presented to me over and over and over and over again. How about that run-on sentence... Each retention CSR has mention how patient I have been and how they wouldn't have been so giving. DTV did set up a new time for me, but I am less than confident that someone will show.

The only person I raised my voice to was one of the guys who finally called me back on Sat. after I called the corp. number for IRONWOOD COMMUNICATIONS and DTV retention twice. This guy was incredible... No wonder they have trouble. Supposedly DTV is going to call me back in a day or two with some more info about this latest foul up, but they were supposed to do that after the third missed install and no one called, so again I am less than confident that anyone will call me back.

Look...I totally sympathize with the low pay that these put up with. I am in a similar profession that doesn't pay as much as it should, but is just loaded with prestige. Any guesses??? Anyway, all of this could of and should have been avoided with a simple phone call to say, "Hey, we can't make it" or "We don't have the hardware." I shouldn't have to hunt these guys down and play Scooby Doo detective to figure out what in the world is going on. I mean, I had to do this all FOUR times they missed the appt. Not once did they call me. NOT ONCE!!! I can't get by that. Even the frickin' pizza delivery guy would call me if he couldn't find my house.. COME ON!!!!!!!:mad:
 

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Don't wait for them to call back. First think Monday call the number I gave you and explain it. I'll bet you get an answer REAL quick. Or at least I hope!
 

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I had problems with Ironwood as well and it nearly cost Directv a new customer. (My apologies to those who have read about my experience before)
The first guys that came out said I had no line of sight. Oh well, that's that. Except a follow up technician showed up and said it would work if the dish was placed on the building in front of me. I rent a cottage behind a triplex and duplex that shares a yard and the entire place is owned by one guy. So I got permission from my landlord and called to reschedule the installation. Ironwood said it needed an order from D*, D* said it needed confirmation that it would work from Ironwood. Neither would help me. All because the part about it working from the building in front of me was never written down by the follow-up guy. After many, many calls I finally got the okay from a very nice D* CSR. Third Ironwood guy shows up and tells me it would work. BUT- that it was against D*'s policy to run lines between buildings because "A squirrel or something could chew through it".
That's when I phoned a local installer and requested Dish. Turned out he only installed D* but said there was no problem running lines between buildings.
Of course by then it was March and D* had raised their prices. Hmmm.....

Nice as my local installer was/is, I have to say that once the trees leafed out my reception got pretty bad. And it was an Ironwood guy that moved the dish to a better spot. So I know there are some good guys working there.
 

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I love how D* tries to push everything off to the HSP! When I have had missed service calls or inst apmnts and called D* they always would try to transfer me or have me call DirectTech or have me on the line with them while they called them. Or "can I have a supervisor from (HSP) call you to resolve this?" NO! I placed the order with you (D*), You deal with your "contractor" as far as I'm concerned, they are you!!

Previous to the AT9, I installed my own. 2 round, 1 phase III! 9 years, not one visit from a D* tech! Jan. 06 AT9 install, and since then 8 apmnts! Half missed, 3 I consider missed because the techs that came out were not "qualified" to work on the AT9! 3 to get the AT9 properly installed! The only good inst was the HR20, all he had to do was was connect the coax and plug it in!

D-BAMATECH, I feel you!!

Every time a HSP screws up, we must hammer D* about it!! Only way things will get better!

Rant over!!
 
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