[timmmaaayyy2003]

I live in a podunk town. That being said, DTV does not and probably will not ever carry our local channels.

I thought I was doing a smart thing when I purchased an AM-21 for my HR21-700. All my channels come in okay except FOX. Due to DTV using Tribune Media for their guide info, they have the FOX affiliate 50 miles and a mountain away listed even though there is a sub-channel that broadcasts less than 2 miles away from my location.

I have tried on numerous occasions to contact the local FOX engineer to get them to correct Tribune's listings with no response.

My request is this. Does anyone out there have the zip code for an area where FOX is on channel 4.1 so I can use the work around by putting it in as my secondary to get correct listings for the FOX network programming? All I can find is NBC. It allows me to see FOX, but obviously the guide is wrong.

I would prefer Mountain time zone, but any would help.

Thanks in advance.

 

[bslange2]

billings mt has a fox channel that is on channel 4. zip 59101 khmt. it's on digital 22 though, so I am not sure if this will work or not.

 

[Kansas Zephyr]

You need to tell us both the RF and virtual channels used.

 

[timmmaaayyy2003]

Analog 4 and virtual 4.1 for the digital feed.

I've tuned into the LA market, and the NBC feed on 4.1 comes in fine. I'm looking mainly for FOX on digital (virtual) 4.1.

 

[tkrandall]

go to tvfool.com and look up the real actual RF frequency for the digital TV broadcasts for you location.

 

[Kansas Zephyr]

Analog 4 and virtual 4.1 for the digital feed.

I've tuned into the LA market, and the NBC feed on 4.1 comes in fine. I'm looking mainly for FOX on digital (virtual) 4.1.

You need the DIGITAL RF channel (not analog), and the virtual. Then find a matching pair from another market.

For example here in Wichita: KAKE is RF channel 10 analog...RF channel 21 digital, yet virtual digital channel 10.1 (or 10-1). (For now anyway...they go back to RF 10 after the analog cut-off, with their digital signal.)

Cool?

 

[timmmaaayyy2003]

Here is the Report. It shows the "real" channel as 15, but the virtual channel as 4.1.

The AM21 shows 15.1 as Fox for my area, but that channel is too far away.

 

[timmmaaayyy2003]

You need the DIGITAL RF channel (not analog), and the virtual. Then find a matching pair from another market.

For example here in Wichita: KAKE is RF channel 10 analog...RF channel 21 digital, yet virtual digital channel 10.1 (or 10-1). (For now anyway...they go back to RF 10 after the analog cut-off, with their digital signal.)

Cool?

That's what I'm trying to do. I've tried to look on the internet and even tried tvfool.com, but it just runs me around in circles. It would help if the stations would just follow up with Tribune. Then no one would need to go through this BS. I have the same issue with Media Center, but that's another forum:sure:

 

[rudeney]

I have HD locals (Birmingham, AL) through D*, but not PBS or CW. I connected an OTA antenna to my HR20 and all is fine, but I noticed that the HR20 tries to tune to my ABC affiliate on channel 40-1 and I get no signal. If I use my TV’s ATSC tuner, it comes in just fine on channel 9-1. According to tvfool.com, channel 9 is the “real” channel, and 40 is the “virtual” channel. Oddly enough, all the other channels come in fine, both on the HR20 and the TV on the correct virtual channel. I will say this is the farthest away signal (30 miles) of all my locals. Is this an issue with D*/Tribune?

 

[timmmaaayyy2003]

I have HD locals (Birmingham, AL) through D*, but not PBS or CW. I connected an OTA antenna to my HR20 and all is fine, but I noticed that the HR20 tries to tune to my ABC affiliate on channel 40-1 and I get no signal. If I use my TV's ATSC tuner, it comes in just fine on channel 9-1. According to tvfool.com, channel 9 is the "real" channel, and 40 is the "virtual" channel. Oddly enough, all the other channels come in fine, both on the HR20 and the TV on the correct virtual channel. I will say this is the farthest away signal (30 miles) of all my locals. Is this an issue with D*/Tribune?

Tribune needs updated info from the local affiliate to properly line up your tuner. DTV and Tribune can't fix it unless the engineer is willing to contact Tribune. Some will, some won't (like mine).

 

[FlashJordan]

My request is this. Does anyone out there have the zip code for an area where FOX is on channel 4.1 so I can use the work around by putting it in as my secondary to get correct listings for the FOX network programming? All I can find is NBC. It allows me to see FOX, but obviously the guide is wrong.

I would prefer Mountain time zone, but any would help.

Thanks in advance.

FOX is (virtual) 4.1 (KDFW) here in the Dallas/Fort Worth area (central time). My zip is 75063

 

[timmmaaayyy2003]

FOX is (virtual) 4.1 (KDFW) here in the Dallas/Fort Worth area (central time). My zip is 75063

Thanks, but...

It works for the tuner. Unfortunately, it's an hour off on the guide .

Anyone else?

 

[bhelton71]

Thanks, but...

It works for the tuner. Unfortunately, it's an hour off on the guide .

Anyone else?

The FCC says KFQX is Grand Junction

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?stat...t2=&mlat2=&slat2=&dlon2=&mlon2=&slon2=&size=9

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=DT423025.html

So try their Zip codes for your secondary market:
http://zipcodes.addresses.com/zip_codes_by_city/36118.html

81501 thru 81506

 

[timmmaaayyy2003]

The FCC says KFQX is Grand Junction

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?stat...t2=&mlat2=&slat2=&dlon2=&mlon2=&slon2=&size=9

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=DT423025.html

So try their Zip codes for your secondary market:
http://zipcodes.addresses.com/zip_codes_by_city/36118.html

81501 thru 81506

Gee. I hadn't thought of that

Problem is, they all come back as 15.1 for FOX on the AM-21. That signal doesn't even exist in downtown GJ.

That's why they call it a "work around". Because the normal procedure didn't work.

 

[Kansas Zephyr]

I have HD locals (Birmingham, AL) through D*, but not PBS or CW. I connected an OTA antenna to my HR20 and all is fine, but I noticed that the HR20 tries to tune to my ABC affiliate on channel 40-1 and I get no signal. If I use my TV's ATSC tuner, it comes in just fine on channel 9-1. According to tvfool.com, channel 9 is the "real" channel, and 40 is the "virtual" channel. Oddly enough, all the other channels come in fine, both on the HR20 and the TV on the correct virtual channel. I will say this is the farthest away signal (30 miles) of all my locals. Is this an issue with D*/Tribune?

Call ABC 33/40 and ask the Chief Engineer if they plan to keep the PSIP for WJSU on 9-1 (what your HDTV "sees" now), or if they are going to use 40-1.

It sounds like 33/40 is currently "PSIPing" 9-1, so the HR20 doesn't "see" a virtual 40-1 and ignores the channel.

If 33/40 starts "PSIPing" 40-1 on WJSU, then it should work in the HR20.

 

[K4SMX]

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Here is the Report. It shows the "real" channel as 15, but the virtual channel as 4.1.

The AM21 shows 15.1 as Fox for my area, but that channel is too far away.

Maybe it's because you're just the wrong direction from GJ. Look at the relative polar plot of the antenna which KFQX uses for ATSC CH 15. They're west of GJ and it's highly concentrated pointing north.

.....I live in a podunk town. even though there is a sub-channel that broadcasts less than 2 miles away from my location.

Are you saying you live less than 2 miles from a UHF translator transmitter which re-broadcasts the KFQX main CH 4 signal from GJ? If so, at this time it's probably analog only. I have a 1kw one of those in sight out the window just 500' above me at the top of the mountain which belongs to the U of NC PBS system. They have applied for a construction permit for the ATSC translator, but I've seen nothing going on there yet in the way of digital transition. They're still analog.

 

[Kansas Zephyr]

It looks like his problem is that KFQX digital is RF 15, virtual 4.1.

But, Tribune has KFQX listed as virtual 15.1.

So, he's SOL until the guide data gets it's poop in a group.

You may wish to complain directly to Tribune also, via zap2it.com.

Good luck.

(That's why these IRDs need to scan, and simply show everything they pluck out of the air.)

 

[timmmaaayyy2003]

It looks like his problem is that KFQX digital is RF 15, virtual 4.1.

But, Tribune has KFQX listed as virtual 15.1.

So, he's SOL until the guide data gets it's poop in a group.

You may wish to complain directly to Tribune also, via zap2it.com.

Good luck.

(That's why these IRDs need to scan, and simply show everything they pluck out of the air.)

Actually, the broadcast antenna is to my northwest. It handles CBS and FOX analog and digital. The antenna site to the south handles another community on the other side of a mountain. We lost both due to a fire at the broadcast facility during playoffs last year.:eek2:

 

[K4SMX]

Well if the KFQX antenna is to your NW, you can see from that polar plot you're off the back of the antenna......

 

[rudeney]

Call ABC 33/40 and ask the Chief Engineer if they plan to keep the PSIP for WJSU on 9-1 (what your HDTV "sees" now), or if they are going to use 40-1.

It sounds like 33/40 is currently "PSIPing" 9-1, so the HR20 doesn't "see" a virtual 40-1 and ignores the channel.

If 33/40 starts "PSIPing" 40-1 on WJSU, then it should work in the HR20.

Well, they must have been changing over to the virtual channel last week. I was fooling around with it tonight and found that it's now on 40-1. Problem solved (for me at least)